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How long can an aircraft sit unused before the fuel gums up and contaminates
the fuel system? BRBR According to Chevron, a year or more should be no problem for avgas. -- Dr. Nuketopia Sorry, no e-Mail. Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address. |
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote: I won't dispute that, but still doesn't make it so. I can call a Ford a Chevy also, but it doesn't make it so. Your opinion, but mine is that better than half a century of common usage *does* make it so. White gas is unleaded car gas. Of use in the south with respect only to Amoco gas. OK, I guess that should be sufficient for the rest of the country and world to accept an incorrect term... Matt |
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white gas to me has always been associated with my grandpa's boat.
Coleman stoves burn Coleman fuel. Michelle wrote: G.R. Patterson III wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: I won't dispute that, but still doesn't make it so. I can call a Ford a Chevy also, but it doesn't make it so. Your opinion, but mine is that better than half a century of common usage *does* make it so. White gas is unleaded car gas. George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. Its a regional thing. I've never heard anyone refer to any kind of car gasoline as white gas in the southwest; white gas goes in camp stoves (or used to before propane took over). |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:55:14 GMT, "#1ACGuy"
wrote: How long can an aircraft sit unused before the fuel gums up and contaminates the fuel system? snip I ask because some of these planes seem like they're for sale for over a year or more, and I wonder what kind of problems they have due to sitting besides the obvious dry startup with no oil on the cam etc. (as if that isn't enough of a problem) My guess is that most planes for sale are still flying regularly. There are exceptions to this (ramp or hangar queens and owners forced into selling because of financial distress), but most owners realize the worst thing they can do to an aircraft is not to fly it. Regarding storage, you can 'pickle' an engine to allow VERY long term storage, however as you point out this does not address the fuel system. Some planes have bladder tanks, and I imagine it is quite bad for them to sit dry. Probably the same goes for the fuel lines. Not to mention the gyro instruments, vac pump, and vac lines. -Nathan |
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Maybe in some circles, but Amoco unleaded gasoline has been called
"white gas" in the South (at least) since I was born (also at least). It's called that because it's clear. I remember when I was a kid that you could go to some gas stations and buy "white gas" from a tank in the back room (with a handcrank pump). We used it in a Coleman stove. Then we found out that Amoco premium unleaded could be used as well, so we used it thereafter (easier to find - dunno if it was cheaper or not). This was in the '50s in Ohio. BTW I still have that same Coleman stove, and it still works. I have heard that you can store avgas for extended periods - and I have a way of finding out. I have a trail bike that has been in storage for a long time (over 10 years). I always ran it on avgas, and it still has some in the tank. When I can find a battery for it I'll try starting it and let you know what happens (was planning to get it going again anyway). David Johnson |
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Thanks. I'm just trying to get an idea of how avgas stores. I did find some useful info on the Chevron site. FWIW, I grew up in Ohio, and remember some stations selling white gas from a small tank in the back, which I always related to the likes of Coleman fuel. What I do know for sure, is that seasonal use small engines such as snow blowers, lawn mowers, or rototillers would be fine after long term storage as long as we used white gas in them. I remember several neighbors trying this with gasoline, and no go. Answer from the shops that had to repair their stuff was always 'shoulda used white gas'. Today I just treat the fuel in my motorcycles with Sta-bil. People on the motorcycle boards that live in cold weather areas say that the regular unleaded fuel they get is even shorter lived today than it was in years past, so they make sure to use Sta-bil. I don't think anyone uses white gas anymore. Av gas just seems so much more refined. It quickly evaperates without any lingering smell, similar to lantern fuel. I don't know how people that run auto gas in their planes keep everything from smelling like gas all the time. For instance, I sure wouldn't want to put my fuel sampling cup back in my flight bag after sumping tanks with auto fuel in them. Seems like everything in the bag and the plane itself would smell like gas for weeks. Av gas, no problem, no smell. Alex My guess is that most planes for sale are still flying regularly. There are exceptions to this (ramp or hangar queens and owners forced into selling because of financial distress), but most owners realize the worst thing they can do to an aircraft is not to fly it. Regarding storage, you can 'pickle' an engine to allow VERY long term storage, however as you point out this does not address the fuel system. Some planes have bladder tanks, and I imagine it is quite bad for them to sit dry. Probably the same goes for the fuel lines. Not to mention the gyro instruments, vac pump, and vac lines. -Nathan |
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Of use in the south with respect only to Amoco gas. OK, I guess that
should be sufficient for the rest of the country and world to accept an incorrect term... Matt BRBR Grew up in the south. Never heard of that one before. White gas is for camp stoves. -- Dr. Nuketopia Sorry, no e-Mail. Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address. |
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Don't they call Bass "Trout" in some places in the South, too?
G.R. Patterson III wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: I won't dispute that, but still doesn't make it so. I can call a Ford a Chevy also, but it doesn't make it so. Your opinion, but mine is that better than half a century of common usage *does* make it so. White gas is unleaded car gas. George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. |
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Rich wrote:
Don't they call Bass "Trout" in some places in the South, too? G.R. Patterson III wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: I won't dispute that, but still doesn't make it so. I can call a Ford a Chevy also, but it doesn't make it so. Your opinion, but mine is that better than half a century of common usage *does* make it so. White gas is unleaded car gas. George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. Beats me, but that is pretty funny! :-) Matt |
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