Is the DC ADIZ on the charts?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"Snowbird" wrote in message om...
from AVWeb:
"Frankly, we're a bit frustrated that pilots are still violating it,
and we don't know why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb
yesterday. "It's on the charts, it's on our Web site."

*Is* the DC ADIZ on the charts?

No, the ADIZ is NOT charted.

That's what I thought.

I wonder if someone could obtain contact information for the
FAA's William Shumann, so that concerned pilots could write
him a brief note correcting his misapprehension, and suggesting
that if the DC ADIZ were charted -- not on a computer which
might or might not be available to a pilot heading that way,
on a CHART -- it is possible that it might be of assistance
to pilots wishing to avoid it.

I think I'll write AVweb and suggest this, but if anyone
else knows how to dig out FAA contact info, please share.

I agree with you that it's absolute BS that NACO hasn't
added it to the charts.

Cheers,
Sydney

On 13 Nov 2003 16:46:03 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote:

if someone could obtain contact information for the
FAA's William Shumann

From:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-233115A1.pdf
Comes:
FAA Contact: William Shumann at (202) 267-3883 or

wrote in message . ..
FAA Contact: William Shumann at (202) 267-3883 or


Thanks, Larry. Hope it's the right chap. This is what I just
sent.

Dear Sir,

I write with regard to an article published by the WebZine "AvWeb"
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186076
which quoted you as follows:
Since Feb. 10, when the ADIZ was put in place in Washington, it
has been violated more than 600 times. "Frankly, we're a bit
frustrated that pilots are still violating it, and we don't know
why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb yesterday. "It's on
the charts, it's on our Web site."

I would like to point out that while the FRZ (flight restricted zone)
is charted, the ADIZ is NOT, in fact, charted on the latest
VFR Sectional Charts in any way. Neither is the NOTAM creating the
ADIZ published in the Airport and Facilities Directory.

While it is useful to have graphical representations of the
ADIZ available on the internet, not all pilots use the Internet
to flight plan. Even pilots who prefer to flight plan online are
often without internet services whilst flightplanning enroute and
certainly whilst in the cockpit.

In fact, to my knowledge there is no official government publication
useable by pilots for in-cockpit navigation which depicts the DC ADIZ.

I would like to make the constructive suggestion that in order to
reduce the frustrating number of ADIZ incursions, the following
changes could be made:

1. Depict the ADIZ on the next printing of sectional and terminal area
charts of the DC area (Washington sectonal and TAC). If possible,
issue
an immediate special printing since these charts are printed on 6
month cycles.

2. Include the NOTAM plain text in the Northeast AF/D. Since these
are printed on 56 day cycles a special issuance might be superfluous.

3. Reference the NOTAM in the remarks section of every airport
inside the ADIZ/FRZ in the Northeast AF/D.

I am told by friends who have attended local DC pilot meetings and
spoken with NACO representatives regarding this issue, that NACO is
reluctant to make these changes and has refused to do so on the
grounds that they are "temporary". However, other temporary changes
such as flight restrictions for the Olympics have been charted in the
past; the FRZ iteself is "temporary" yet is charted.

If people in the FAA are indeed frustrated with the number of
incursions and wish to reduce them, I would like to suggest that the
absence of accurately charted depictions of the ADIZ on government
publications intended for navigational use by pilots is one possible
reason, and one which could readily be remedied were someone with the
appropriate authority to issue to NACO the appropriate direction.

Yours Sincerely,
Sydney Hoeltzli
PP ASEL IA

Great letter, Sydney!
I trust you sent it "overnight" to convey a sense of urgency. ;-)

On 14 Nov 2003 10:39:47 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote in Message-Id:
:

wrote in message . ..
FAA Contact: William Shumann at (202) 267-3883 or


Thanks, Larry. Hope it's the right chap. This is what I just
sent.

Dear Sir,

[...]

Give 'em hell, Syd.

More contact information is available he
http://search.yahoo.com/search?x=op&...59-1&vm=p&n=20

Let us know if you get a response.

Mike Schumann

"Snowbird" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
. ..
FAA Contact: William Shumann at (202) 267-3883 or


Thanks, Larry. Hope it's the right chap. This is what I just
sent.

Dear Sir,

I write with regard to an article published by the WebZine "AvWeb"
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186076
which quoted you as follows:
Since Feb. 10, when the ADIZ was put in place in Washington, it
has been violated more than 600 times. "Frankly, we're a bit
frustrated that pilots are still violating it, and we don't know
why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb yesterday. "It's on
the charts, it's on our Web site."

I would like to point out that while the FRZ (flight restricted zone)
is charted, the ADIZ is NOT, in fact, charted on the latest
VFR Sectional Charts in any way. Neither is the NOTAM creating the
ADIZ published in the Airport and Facilities Directory.

While it is useful to have graphical representations of the
ADIZ available on the internet, not all pilots use the Internet
to flight plan. Even pilots who prefer to flight plan online are
often without internet services whilst flightplanning enroute and
certainly whilst in the cockpit.

In fact, to my knowledge there is no official government publication
useable by pilots for in-cockpit navigation which depicts the DC ADIZ.

I would like to make the constructive suggestion that in order to
reduce the frustrating number of ADIZ incursions, the following
changes could be made:

1. Depict the ADIZ on the next printing of sectional and terminal area
charts of the DC area (Washington sectonal and TAC). If possible,
issue
an immediate special printing since these charts are printed on 6
month cycles.

2. Include the NOTAM plain text in the Northeast AF/D. Since these
are printed on 56 day cycles a special issuance might be superfluous.

3. Reference the NOTAM in the remarks section of every airport
inside the ADIZ/FRZ in the Northeast AF/D.

I am told by friends who have attended local DC pilot meetings and
spoken with NACO representatives regarding this issue, that NACO is
reluctant to make these changes and has refused to do so on the
grounds that they are "temporary". However, other temporary changes
such as flight restrictions for the Olympics have been charted in the
past; the FRZ iteself is "temporary" yet is charted.

If people in the FAA are indeed frustrated with the number of
incursions and wish to reduce them, I would like to suggest that the
absence of accurately charted depictions of the ADIZ on government
publications intended for navigational use by pilots is one possible
reason, and one which could readily be remedied were someone with the
appropriate authority to issue to NACO the appropriate direction.

Yours Sincerely,
Sydney Hoeltzli
PP ASEL IA

"Snowbird" wrote in message
om...

from AVWeb:
"Frankly, we're a bit frustrated that pilots are still violating it,
and we don't know why," the FAA's William Shumann told AVweb
yesterday. "It's on the charts, it's on our Web site."

*Is* the DC ADIZ on the charts? Not on websites, on actual VFR
sectionals
and TACs?


AeroPlanner's online charts show it.

http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/c...yp=APT&txt=iad

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
hlink.net

AeroPlanner's online charts show it.

Another *private* organization providing an unofficial chart. Can you
imagine the reaction of the FAA/USSS/other agency interregators when you try
to use the AeroPlanner chart to prove that you were, in fact, outside the
ADIZ?

This situation is like the small town that refuses to post speed limit signs
then locks up those who speed down the street.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

It doesn't matter if a "depiction" can be found on the web. It probably
carries a "NOT FOR NAVIGATIONAL USE" notice.
If I am at an airport preparing for a flight through that airspace, I
most likely do not have access to a computer with a color printer that
is capable of accurately reproducing the chart to scale so that it can
be used for navigational purposes.
If I call Flight Service on the telephone, I will be read the NOTAM
text, not an accurate pictoral depiction.
If I have received the briefing from the FSS specialist, it is
considered that I am fully informed, when in fact I have only a fuzzy
notion of the actual boundaries.
Also consider that because of the irregularity of the airspace
boundaries, I may be able to "draw" the boundaries, given lat/lon
coordinates to create waypoints, on my VFR only, handheld GPS. Is this
acceptable for navigation? Maybe
Does the FAA consider this "official"? Probably not.
So, if they are not willing to chart the boundaries on the offical,
government produced charts, issued every six months, how are we
expected to know, in the cockpit, flying along looking for ground
references, where the boundaries are?

Perhaps this whole thread should be sent to the FAA/TSA. It might* open
someone's eyes.

*doubtful

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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