Flying Restricted Airspace

Don't ever expect overflight of dreamland. Even military pilots w/top secret
clearances get in DEEP doodoo over busting airspace during exercises in the
other R areas.

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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Some of the R area near Edwards AFB and Ft Irwin Army Base covers the
"Goldstone Communications" center. That is the local "space communications"
for Huston Control and any of the shuttles that may be flying and the
International Space station.. also any far reaching exploring missions that
are out there.. Don't ever expect to get cleared to close to that antenna..
so you don't block their reception.

This is for your own protection.
Some of those transmitters will put out enough radiated power in a very tight
beam that at normal altitudes (not the FL's) it would make a microwave oven
look like a childs toy.

Yeah, I grew up in that part of California and had many friends who worked at
Goldstone. If a bird flew across the 210 ft. Mars dish while it was transmitting
it would disappear in a puff of smoke.

Dave Reinhart


wrote:

Some of the R area near Edwards AFB and Ft Irwin Army Base covers the
"Goldstone Communications" center. That is the local "space communications"
for Huston Control and any of the shuttles that may be flying and the
International Space station.. also any far reaching exploring missions that
are out there.. Don't ever expect to get cleared to close to that antenna..
so you don't block their reception.

This is for your own protection.
Some of those transmitters will put out enough radiated power in a very tight
beam that at normal altitudes (not the FL's) it would make a microwave oven
look like a childs toy.

In the areas west of SLC, the controlling agency is "Clover Control";
their frequency is on the charts. I've had good luck shortcutting across
the restricted areas just by asking them. They will give you a discrete
sqwak code, radar indentify you, and give you a routing, sometimes
direct
to where you want to go, sometimes not.

The only time I have called ZLC about this if I know apriori that Clover
has gone home for the weekend...

MikeM
Skylane '1MM
Pacer '00Z
SLC

"H.J." wrote:

If I want to fly in some restricted airspace - nevermind the reason - how is
that done?
The chart says the controlling authority is ZLC Center. That's Salt Lake
ARTCC, right?
So if I'm flying VFR, what do I do?
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"
Any tips?

hj

Check the legend on your sectional to see when the restricted airspace is
active. Few restricted areas are active all of the time. You can fly through
when it is not active. You also can fly through with permission or vectors
from ATC, or you can call the local controlling agency and find out
procedures for a particular restricted area.

Usually restricted areas are there for your safety -- something is going on
in there that is extremely dangerous to aircraft. Permission to fly through
restricted areas is routinely given when circumstances permit. Areas where
air traffic is permanently not allowed for security reasons are usually
prohibited areas. Prohibited areas are rare.

Some areas have "temporary" restricted areas around them. These used to be
used for controlling traffic around major sporting events or news events and
around other areas attracting intense aerial activity, such as forest fires.
The new TFRs are more or less permanent and are used much the same way as
prohibited areas are, except there are numerous exceptions allowed for
traffic to fly through them.

In article , H.J. wrote:
Do I find any low alt freq to the SLC ARTCC in the AF/D and call "Salt Lake
Center. 1234X Request transition through R12345"
Any tips?

I don't know if there's an official way to ask, but what I always hear is
something like, "hey, center, is R12345 hot today?"