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![]() Happy Dog wrote: "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... In a previous article, "Happy Dog" said: "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked pretty damn well. You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical attention was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford, but not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a non-emergency MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun). What did you bet on? What was your ante? My father had a heart attack a few years ago, near Toronto. That's hardly a non-emergency condition. He got MRIs, CAT scans, and surgery, all within a few hours. He was operated on by a world famous cardiac surgeon who has been profiled on the US science show "NOVA". Now he gets drugs that would cost thousands of dollars a week. Surgery within hours, eh? And drugs costing thousands per week? For years? Can you give us some more details on his condition? So I anted my father's life, and won. Compare and contrast with the US system, where my doctor has twice referred me to chronic pain specialists only to have the insurance company turn me down. I've switched insurance companies, but they're all in collusion to treat chronic pain sufferers as nothing but whiners. Oh, and they wouldn't pay to treat the depression caused by the chronic pain, either. They're all a bunch of ****ing *******s, and they have the entire US political system in their pockets because politics runs on money, and they've made plenty by denying proper medical care even to those lucky enough to supposedly have coverage. Got news for you. You wouldn't fare much better in Canada. hd Based on, exactly, what? Do you work for Transport Canada, Nav Canada? Let's hear it big mouth... Zee |
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... In a previous article, Bob Noel said: In article , (Paul Tomblin) wrote: They can't do a worse job than the beancounters are doing now. Says the guy who had two doctor ordered treatments turned down by ****ing insurance companies. I don't want to bet your health or life on it. Says the guy working in the acquisition of systems for the government. I bet the first 35 years of my life on the Canadian system, and it worked pretty damn well. You ever need dialysis? Ever wonder what you would do if medical attention was available (for the person of your choice) and that you could afford, but not allowed? Examples of this situation abound. Try to get a non-emergency MRI in Toronto within a year. Try to get dialysis (even just for fun). What did you bet on? What was your ante? le moo While perhaps interesting for comparison purposes, the availability of dialysis "just for fun", or any other elective medical procedure isn't really relavent. I don't care how long one has to wait for that nose job. What's important is what happens when one is sick/broken and not wealthy. I've never been treated in Canada but from what I gather the Canadians have a good system that accomodates most everyone in a humane way. Contrast that to the US system where if you are middle class or below and get sick you risk extra trouble from the stress of (real or potential) denial which could lead to financial ruin. If you're unemployed you may be denied followup treatment altogether. I am fully aware that "free" health care promotes abuse. People should have a stake in their own treatment's cost when they are able to pay. But the notion that just about everyone in the US is one major illness away from financial ruin is what's wrong here. Getting sick is bad enough, but adding to the suffering so drug companies and HMO's can make big profits is wrong. Add the fact that these same entities more or less wrote the laws by buying off the Congress and it becomes downright immoral. Again, don't get me wrong - I don't begrudge any legitimate business a profit, but the drug companies are out of control. Their profits are obscene and way beyond what they need to recover research costs. Their manipulation of the various patent laws topped off with their misleading advertising costs all of us. -- Frank....H |
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In a previous article, Frank said:
I am fully aware that "free" health care promotes abuse. People should have a stake in their own treatment's cost when they are able to pay. But the notion that just about everyone in the US is one major illness away from financial ruin is what's wrong here. A good friend of mine has cancer. She's been living and working in the US for several years, and bought a house here. She's unable to work because of the cancer, and her COBRA is just about to run out. The hospital she is currently confined to plans to chuck her out on the street because they don't take Medicare patients. So add to the stress of being bedridden with probably terminal cancer, she has to arrange to sell her house and move back to Canada because it's the only way to get decent cancer treatment. The US system ****ing sucks. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ "I didn't know it was impossible when I did it." |
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Solution: We all move to Canada, Paul, and the bankrupt Canadian welfare
system will make us all healthy and beautiful.... Denny "Paul Tomblin" wrote in The US system ****ing sucks. |
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"Frank" wrote in message
... I am fully aware that "free" health care promotes abuse. The experience of countries where it is "free" is that it doesn't. Note for Steve McNicholl - yes I know it's not free. Can we just agree to call it "free" in the same way as you get highways and a police service for "free". It's possible that the lack of abuse is because of the different attitudes in other countries. In the US, there is more of a tendency to the belief that people should get what they can pay for, and choice should drive the design of the systems. In other English-speaking countries, health care in particular is held as a common good, and you are more likely to hear Joe Public concerned about "the old people, the poor people" than themselves. I'm talking about the center of gravity here; of course there are individual exceptions. As usual, there are these unexamined deep differences that make the more superficial arguments sound like shouting past each other. It's also possible that British and Canadian hospitals are so ghastly that nobody in their right mind would want to spend an unnecessary moment in them, while Americans are all hypochondriacs who love to spend time reading magazine in their local hospitotel, and want a fistful of pills every time they find a speck of wax in their ears or lint in their bellybuttons. -- David Brooks |
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![]() "David Brooks" wrote in message ... Note for Steve McNicholl - yes I know it's not free. Do you also know it costs more where it's "free"? |
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