Bible-beater pilots

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion. Instead
of bad-mouthing them you should recognize at least that they were not being
hypocrites like you feel that all the rest of organized religion.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing
ever
happened.

Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was
the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the
laws
of the church differently.

For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth
control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from
taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American
"Catholic" women admit to using birth control.

Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink"
thing
around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even
thought they know about the transgressors.

Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you
want
to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the
Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a
"Catholic".

It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from
organized
religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:38:47 -0600, "Matthew P. Cummings"
wrote:

That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever
happened.

As with so many other things, I have to say that that's a real issue,
but it isn't with my own church.

Rob

"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:45:58 +0000, Peter Gottlieb wrote:

I think this thread has played itself out. Have a happy Thanksgiving
everyone!

See this is where I have a problem. People who claim to not be religious
celebrate holidays such as Christmas, Easter, and yes Thanksgiving.


Just as an earlier poster said he would spend money with religious symbols,
I will certainly take a day off for whatever reason. I think in the
interest of fairness we need at least a holiday a month from each of the
categories (Christian, Islam, Judisim, Agnostic, Athiestism, Satanism,
Buddism, Beerism, Lazyism, anything else).

Earl G.

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Jay.
H.
N502TB

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I guess I should cancel my plans to deliver Thanksgiving dinner to the
needy
tomorrow. Since it's on behalf of my church.

I guess you better. After all, according to the atheists here, if your
motivation is religious, you must not be moral.

Jeez, I turn my attention away from this thread for a day or two, and look
what happens! Talk about bitter dissension!

I am thankful that there are those who deliver dinner to the needy --
whatever their motivation. If your religion commands you to help the
hungry, house the homeless, and generally help humanity, I certainly will
not argue with you. In fact, I thank you.

However, I believe some posters have been trying to state the obvious,
which
is: Religion is a powerful force for both good and evil. Gullible people
can be misled easily with the whole "fear of eternal damnation" threat.

And it works the other way, too! Just look how many fools have been
recruited by the fundamentalist, radical "Islamo-Fascists" in the Middle
East! These dupes are lured into doing the ultimate evil, simply by
having
"eternity in paradise" promised to them. How many more children and
innocents must be blown to smithereens so that this sick, parasitic
version
of Islam can flourish?

Does anyone honestly think there would be suicide attacks WITHOUT religion
assuring them of "eternal life"? THAT is the evil side of religion,
ladies
and gentlemen -- and it must be addressed in any serious discussion of
religion.

Anyhow, I only meant to comment on the rudeness of the religious zealots
Mary and I ran into, and on the interesting way in which they were
apparently able to self-justify their bizarre, unseemly behavior. I did
not
mean for this thread to pick on any particular religion, as these guys
could
just have easily have been Muslims, Hare Krishnas, or Believers in the
Force.

It's sad that this thread -- probably the longest I've ever seen -- ended
up
the way it did. I guess pilots are no different than the rest of the
world
in this regard...

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

It certainly was!

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

G.R. Patterson III wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

It certainly was!

Bah!

100' VV at my destination airport.

- Andrew