pilots refuse to fly with gun loons onboard

On 31 Dec 2003 07:39:33 -0800, (J. Hall) wrote:

And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?

I love that phrase "**** whiskers". I'll have to make a note of it for
later use...which brings us on to another point- there is a fear that
shooting in a plane might accidently depressurize the plane. The fact
that the 7000 series aluminium alloys modern planes are made of have a
tensile strength similar to mild steel does not count. I don't think
the marshalls will be firing armour peircing rounds in the plane; most
likely they will be using those JHP ones that flatten when they hit
something.
Kind of reminds me of one of those stupid Hollywood movies where a 747
gets depressurized and for some reason, plummets out of the sky, as if
letting the pressure out of a plane had the same affect as letting the
pressure out of a hot air balloon.

Who are you, and why are you interjecting facts into this
conversation?

" Bogart " wrote in message ws.com...

Who are you, and why are you interjecting facts into this
conversation?

Have I blinded everyone with science ? Sorry, I won't do it again.
Okay, yes I will, just for you (tensile stength) :

7075-T6 aluminium = 76,000 psi
Mild Steel = 50,000 psi

I think that's about right.

"J. Hall" wrote in message
m...
" Bogart " wrote in message
ws.com...

Who are you, and why are you interjecting facts into this
conversation?

Have I blinded everyone with science ? Sorry, I won't do it again.
Okay, yes I will, just for you (tensile stength) :

7075-T6 aluminium = 76,000 psi
Mild Steel = 50,000 psi

I think that's about right.

Actually mild steel is usually around 36,000 psi, by the time you get in
the range of 50,000 psi you are into the high strength steels.

On 31 Dec 2003 07:39:33 -0800, in a fit of unbridled digital verbosity, once
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
(J. Hall) two-fingered to all:

| And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
| who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?
|
|I love that phrase "**** whiskers". I'll have to make a note of it for
|later use...which brings us on to another point- there is a fear that
|shooting in a plane might accidently depressurize the plane. The fact
|that the 7000 series aluminium alloys modern planes are made of have a
|tensile strength similar to mild steel does not count. I don't think
|the marshalls will be firing armour peircing rounds in the plane; most
|likely they will be using those JHP ones that flatten when they hit
|something.

They use Glasers, a bullet designed specifically for use by air marshalls. If
you're unfamiliar with them, they're compressed lead shot in a thin copper
jacket with a plastic tip. They're so frangible, they won't go through both
sides of the typical house's drywall walls with any real force left. But, they
pack a helluva whollop when they hit a former bad guy.

http://mysite.elixirlabs.com/index.p...2665&page=1979


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"Little John" wrote in message
...
On 31 Dec 2003 07:39:33 -0800, in a fit of unbridled digital verbosity,
once
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
(J. Hall) two-fingered to all:

| And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
| who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?
|
|I love that phrase "**** whiskers". I'll have to make a note of it for
|later use...which brings us on to another point- there is a fear that
|shooting in a plane might accidently depressurize the plane. The fact
|that the 7000 series aluminium alloys modern planes are made of have a
|tensile strength similar to mild steel does not count. I don't think
|the marshalls will be firing armour peircing rounds in the plane; most
|likely they will be using those JHP ones that flatten when they hit
|something.

They use Glasers, a bullet designed specifically for use by air marshalls.
If
you're unfamiliar with them, they're compressed lead shot in a thin copper
jacket with a plastic tip. They're so frangible, they won't go through
both
sides of the typical house's drywall walls with any real force left. But,
they
pack a helluva whollop when they hit a former bad guy.

http://mysite.elixirlabs.com/index.p...2665&page=1979


Even if they fired 9MM rounds, danger to the aircraft, and the passengers,
would be extremely slight.

-*MORT*-

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 12:13:34 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Little John" wrote in message
.. .
On 31 Dec 2003 07:39:33 -0800, in a fit of unbridled digital verbosity,
once
again proving the problem is located between the seat and the keyboard,
(J. Hall) two-fingered to all:

| And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
| who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?
|
|I love that phrase "**** whiskers". I'll have to make a note of it for
|later use...which brings us on to another point- there is a fear that
|shooting in a plane might accidently depressurize the plane. The fact
|that the 7000 series aluminium alloys modern planes are made of have a
|tensile strength similar to mild steel does not count. I don't think
|the marshalls will be firing armour peircing rounds in the plane; most
|likely they will be using those JHP ones that flatten when they hit
|something.

They use Glasers, a bullet designed specifically for use by air marshalls.
If
you're unfamiliar with them, they're compressed lead shot in a thin copper
jacket with a plastic tip. They're so frangible, they won't go through
both
sides of the typical house's drywall walls with any real force left. But,
they
pack a helluva whollop when they hit a former bad guy.

http://mysite.elixirlabs.com/index.p...2665&page=1979


Even if they fired 9MM rounds, danger to the aircraft, and the passengers,
would be extremely slight.

CITE!


-*MORT*-



--
The Wit and Wisdom of Mort Davis:

On American children rummaging through rubbish for food:
"True, ythey gewt the inbrads in Parliment to do it"

His neo-con solution for world peace:
"When Europe ****s itsself again, I suggest we drop nukes on it until no
human life remains."

Displaying that he's yet another lamer with a sticky
Caps Lock key who believes that anyone cares about the
contents of his killfile:
"Keep changing those fake idents, I have plenty more room in the old
killfile, ****TARD."

"Mongo Jones" wrote in message
s.com...
In talk.politics.guns (Nick
Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick
says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather
fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?

And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?

We don't need some gung ho ******s telling us how to organise security in
aviation.
911 and Pan Am 101 need I say more!

Dave wrote:

"Mongo Jones" wrote in message
s.com...
In talk.politics.guns (Nick
Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick
says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots'
union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather
fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?

And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?

We don't need some gung ho ******s telling us how to organise security in
aviation.
911 and Pan Am 101 need I say more!

Name one plane that was hijacked with a sky marshal aboard.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:28:34 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

And you honestly think we give a **** about some ****-whiskered Brits
who are too ****ing stupid to safeguard their own planes?


Who was too stupid to safeguard their planes on 911, causing those
office workers in those ugly buildings to do their Superman
impressions? Wasn't the ****-whiskered Brits, seems to me that it was
the gormless merkins. Please feel free to continue to go about things
arse-up - you've never learned a thing from your past mistakes,
there's no reason you should now.
Found Bin Laden yet?


--
The Wit and Wisdom of Mort Davis:

On American children rummaging through rubbish for food:
"True, ythey gewt the inbrads in Parliment to do it"

His neo-con solution for world peace:
"When Europe ****s itsself again, I suggest we drop nukes on it until no
human life remains."

Displaying that he's yet another lamer with a sticky
Caps Lock key who believes that anyone cares about the
contents of his killfile:
"Keep changing those fake idents, I have plenty more room in the old
killfile, ****TARD."

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:26:26 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:44:42 GMT, Mongo Jones
wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Chris Morton wrote:

In article , nick says...

"Some flights to the US could be grounded after the airline pilots' union
called on its members not to fly with armed sky marshals on board."

Pizza loving anti-Semite points out that British pilots would rather fly into
buildings than have armed POLICE on board.

They're as big a bunch of netwits as Jew hater Nick.

We should put the British Airline Pilots' Association on notice that
any flight WITHOUT armed sky marshals on board will be shot down as a
precautionary measure.

And you honestly wonder why the rest of the world has such a low
opinion of America?

You just don't get it do you? We don't give a ****, now do as your
told or get shot down.