Airspeed of military planes

Yes, it is a rule here too as we follow the 7110.65 just like in the
U.S. But it is a rule we don't always strickly enforce unless we have
to. I don't like them going that fast, but unless there is a reason
for me to slow them down, I don't usually bother. Now I would never
have one buz an airliner or civilian plane going that fast, but you
get the idea. I'm sure it is different with the FAA boys working in a
busy area, but for us over open water we don't care too much. Our
airspace goes out to 50 miles around Okinawa, so it is 90% over water.

Glenn


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:18:22 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

"Glenn Westfall" wrote...
I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000.

How far out over the water does the 250-below-10 limit extend in Japan?

If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler, after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)

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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.

"Darrell" wrote in message
news:5vBQb.65145$XD5.52941@fed1read06...

If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler,
after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try
to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)


I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:38:18 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

And, even then they were almost exclusively related to active air
defense scrambles. I entered military aviation in 1964 and operated
until 1987 and never, not even once flew a tactical jet in a "military
climb corridor."

We flew published departure routes, later we flew SIDs, we flew
published approaches, we operated in special use airspace including
restricted areas and MOAs, we operated along low level routes, etc.

We went fast a lot, too.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed

Your right. The Climb Corridors were only for ADC Interceptor
Fighters. I negotiated several of them with FAA.

With an unknown, the Interceptors on 5 minute alert could be scrambled
and climb through commercial traffic altitudes without stopping to get
FAA clearance. The Air Force (radar) assumed responsibility for
clearance on scrambled aircraft and also training missions.

Been out of ADC for a long time but believe the corridors would be
eliminated when the base lost it's Air Defense Mission and Aircraft.
Couldn't justify them then to FAA.

Big John


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:49:32 -0700, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:38:18 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

And, even then they were almost exclusively related to active air
defense scrambles. I entered military aviation in 1964 and operated
until 1987 and never, not even once flew a tactical jet in a "military
climb corridor."

We flew published departure routes, later we flew SIDs, we flew
published approaches, we operated in special use airspace including
restricted areas and MOAs, we operated along low level routes, etc.

We went fast a lot, too.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

I believe military climb corridors ceased being charted in the sixties as
well.

There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's. Don't
know if it still exists. I seem to recall it being south-westerly, but the
eyesight is the first to go, and I can't remember what the second thing was...

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:1XBQb.6581$ce2.5743@okepread03...

There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's.


I have Salt Lake City sectionals from 1969, 1972, and 1987, none of them
show a climb corridor at Mountain Home AFB. Nor does the current chart,
which can be viewed online at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R10722D27

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote

There was a climb corridor out of Mt. Home well into the 80's.


I have Salt Lake City sectionals from 1969, 1972, and 1987, none of them
show a climb corridor at Mountain Home AFB. Nor does the current chart,
which can be viewed online at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R10722D27

I'm not sure what map it was. Do you have any highs and lows from
back then?

"Darrell" wrote in message news:5vBQb.65145

If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed
higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast.

Same applies to civil craft. Loaded 747 would climb at about 273. We would
just advise ATC of climb speed. Were you required/requested to do that?

JG

John Gaquin wrote, "... Loaded 747 would climb at about 273. ..."

Makes it all the more amazing that they seem to be standing still while
climbing out!