Kerry is a pilot?

in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

Are you saying there's no such thing as a Silver Star, or that Kerry never
got one? In both cases you'd be wrong.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tarver Engineering at
wrote on 1/25/04 6:21 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple
Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

Are you saying there's no such thing as a Silver Star, or that Kerry never
got one? In both cases you'd be wrong.

Kerrey was put in for a silver star and awarded bronze.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple
Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

???

No, Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, and a Bronze Star with "V" device.

All that said does not equal credibility.

Hell, Hitler had the Iron Cross something or other equivalent to our
Distinguished Service Cross.

Big Whoop!!

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote:

No, Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, and a Bronze Star with
"V" device.

All that said does not equal credibility.

Hell, Hitler had the Iron Cross something or other equivalent to
our Distinguished Service Cross.

Big Whoop!!

I'm sure many U. S. veterans who hold these decorations would be
gratified to see your equating them with Hitler's giving himself the
Iron Cross. No doubt they would enjoy your "big whoop" comment WRT these
honors, as well.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 1/25/04 8:43 PM:


"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple
Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.

Except ther is no silver star.

???

No, Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, and a Bronze Star with "V" device.

All that said does not equal credibility.

Hell, Hitler had the Iron Cross something or other equivalent to our
Distinguished Service Cross.

Big Whoop!!

I agree with you that distinguished military service is not necessarily a
reason to vote for someone. On the other hand, in a time when so much is
often made about who's patriotic and who's not, who's a "real American" and
who isn't, I certainly think it's appropriate to point out that John Kerry
served his country (voluntarily, I might add) and served it well.

And now this thread is officially in the...what law is it when nazi's or
Hitler are mentioned?

mike regish

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Hell, Hitler had the Iron Cross something or other equivalent to our
Distinguished Service Cross.

Big Whoop!!

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.


Well, John McCain has the Navy Cross (I believe), but I wouldn't/didn't vote
for him.

Conduct Unbecoming
Kerry doesn't deserve Vietnam vets' support.

BY STEPHEN SHERMAN Guest to the Wall Street Journal
Monday, January 26, 2004

A turning point may have been reached in the Iowa caucuses when Special
Forces Lt. James Rassmann came forward to thank John Kerry for saving his life
in Vietnam. Although Mr. Rassmann, like most of my veteran friends, is a
Republican, he said that he'd vote for Mr. Kerry. I don't know if the incident
influenced the caucus results. But I took special interest in the story
because Jim served in my unit.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such
service was beneath them, and removed themselves from the manpower pool. That
Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling. Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken. But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation, which he
accepted at face value.

In his book "Stolen Valor," B.G. Burkett points out that Mr. Kerry liberally
used phony veterans to testify to atrocities they could not possibly have
committed. Mr. Kerry later threw what he represented as his awards at the
Capitol in protest. But as the war diminished as a political issue, he left
the VVAW, which was a bit too radical for his political future, and was
ultimately elected to the Senate. After his awards were seen framed on his
office wall, he claimed to have thrown away someone else's medals--so now he
can reclaim his gallantry in Vietnam.

Mr. Kerry hasn't given me any reason to trust his judgment. As co-chairman
of the Senate investigating committee, he quashed a revealing inquiry into the
POW/MIA issue, and he supports trade initiatives with the Socialist Republic
of Vietnam while blocking any legislation requiring Hanoi to adhere to basic
human rights. I'm not surprised that there are veterans who support a VVAW
activist, if only because there are so few fellow veterans in politics.
Ideally, there'd be many more. If you are going to vote on military
appropriations, it would be nice if you didn't disrespect the soldiers.
Congress hasn't had the courage to declare war in more than 60 years, despite
numerous instances in which we have sent our military in harm's way. Of all
the "lessons of Vietnam," surely one is that America needs a leader capable of
demonstrating in himself, and encouraging in others, the resolve to finish
what they have collectively started.

But the bond between veterans has to be tempered in light of the
individual's record. Just as Mr. Kerry threw away medals only to claim them
back again, Sen. Kerry voted to take action against Iraq, but claims to take
that vote back by voting against funding the result. So I can understand my
former comrade-in-arms hugging the man who saved his life, but not the act of
choosing him for president out of gratitude. And I would hate to see anyone
giving Mr. Kerry a sympathy vote for president just because being a Vietnam
veteran is "back in style."
---
Mr. Sherman was a first lieutenant with the U.S. Army Fifth Special Forces
Group (Airborne) in Vietnam, 1967-68.

"Carrie Seddon" wrote in message
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Conduct Unbecoming
Kerry doesn't deserve Vietnam vets' support.

BY STEPHEN SHERMAN Guest to the Wall Street Journal
Monday, January 26, 2004

A turning point may have been reached in the Iowa caucuses when Special
Forces Lt. James Rassmann came forward to thank John Kerry for saving his
life
in Vietnam. Although Mr. Rassmann, like most of my veteran friends, is a
Republican, he said that he'd vote for Mr. Kerry. I don't know if the
incident
influenced the caucus results. But I took special interest in the story
because Jim served in my unit.

I think it was the $6.5 million Kerry got from mortgaging Mrs. Heinz' house
that bought the Iowa cacuses for Kerry.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such
service was beneath them, and removed themselves from the manpower pool.
That
Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that
his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling.

More impressive was Representative Ford saying Kerry has 2 siver stars and a
bronze star on Fox this morning.

Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken. But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation, which
he
accepted at face value.

Some South Viet Namese were literally sold into slavery, to pay the Soviet
Union for their support.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Carrie Seddon" wrote in message
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Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans;
that
his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and
a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling.

I read something in the last day or so that details the circumstances under
which Kerry won his decorations. To say things were very overblown is..well,
accurate.


More impressive was Representative Ford saying Kerry has 2 siver stars and
a
bronze star on Fox this morning.

Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried
in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the
Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans
believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of
the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken.
But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW
and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation,
which
he
accepted at face value.

Some South Viet Namese were literally sold into slavery, to pay the Soviet
Union for their support.

The North Vietnamese killed more people in South Vietnam AFTER the US left
in 1975 than were killed in eleven years of fighting.