Kerry is a pilot?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Morgans at
wrote on 1/26/04 7:20 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote
I agree with you that distinguished military service is not necessarily
a
reason to vote for someone. On the other hand, in a time when so much
is
often made about who's patriotic and who's not, who's a "real American"
and
who isn't, I certainly think it's appropriate to point out that John
Kerry
served his country (voluntarily, I might add) and served it well.

Only to come back and bash it! I would rather have seen him not serve
his
country.

"Bash it"? It seems to me that he volunteered for dangerous duty in a war
that he didn't completely agree with. He put his ass on the line for his
country, even though he didn't agree with the cause. I'm not sure you'll
see
a better definition of patriotism in your lifetime.

I'd define it as office seeking.

"Bash it"? It seems to me that he volunteered for dangerous duty in a war
that he didn't completely agree with. He put his ass on the line for his
country, even though he didn't agree with the cause. I'm not sure you'll
see
a better definition of patriotism in your lifetime.

Not saying I disagree with you regarding Kerry's patriotism, but the thought
comes to mind that perhaps we might have actually WON that war if we didn't
have so many "Indians" (like Kerry) thinking they were "Chiefs"...

You really have to wonder how motivated a soldier can be fighting in a war
he actively disagrees with? The next logical question is then: "Can a
soldier act correctly and with all due efficiency fighting a war he does not
support?" Did we lose because of the military rotting from within? Was
Kerry an example of this?

"Sixkiller" may be right : We might have been better off if he had simply
become a conscientious objector.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And now this thread is officially in the...what law is it when nazi's or
Hitler are mentioned?

mike regish

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Hell, Hitler had the Iron Cross something or other equivalent to our
Distinguished Service Cross.

Big Whoop!!

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Jim Fisher at
wrote on 1/25/04 11:02 AM:

Well, there's at least one redeeming quality.

To go along with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
And all in a war he was opposed to. I find that somewhat redeeming.


Well, John McCain has the Navy Cross (I believe), but I wouldn't/didn't vote
for him.

Conduct Unbecoming
Kerry doesn't deserve Vietnam vets' support.

BY STEPHEN SHERMAN Guest to the Wall Street Journal
Monday, January 26, 2004

A turning point may have been reached in the Iowa caucuses when Special
Forces Lt. James Rassmann came forward to thank John Kerry for saving his life
in Vietnam. Although Mr. Rassmann, like most of my veteran friends, is a
Republican, he said that he'd vote for Mr. Kerry. I don't know if the incident
influenced the caucus results. But I took special interest in the story
because Jim served in my unit.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such
service was beneath them, and removed themselves from the manpower pool. That
Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling. Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken. But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation, which he
accepted at face value.

In his book "Stolen Valor," B.G. Burkett points out that Mr. Kerry liberally
used phony veterans to testify to atrocities they could not possibly have
committed. Mr. Kerry later threw what he represented as his awards at the
Capitol in protest. But as the war diminished as a political issue, he left
the VVAW, which was a bit too radical for his political future, and was
ultimately elected to the Senate. After his awards were seen framed on his
office wall, he claimed to have thrown away someone else's medals--so now he
can reclaim his gallantry in Vietnam.

Mr. Kerry hasn't given me any reason to trust his judgment. As co-chairman
of the Senate investigating committee, he quashed a revealing inquiry into the
POW/MIA issue, and he supports trade initiatives with the Socialist Republic
of Vietnam while blocking any legislation requiring Hanoi to adhere to basic
human rights. I'm not surprised that there are veterans who support a VVAW
activist, if only because there are so few fellow veterans in politics.
Ideally, there'd be many more. If you are going to vote on military
appropriations, it would be nice if you didn't disrespect the soldiers.
Congress hasn't had the courage to declare war in more than 60 years, despite
numerous instances in which we have sent our military in harm's way. Of all
the "lessons of Vietnam," surely one is that America needs a leader capable of
demonstrating in himself, and encouraging in others, the resolve to finish
what they have collectively started.

But the bond between veterans has to be tempered in light of the
individual's record. Just as Mr. Kerry threw away medals only to claim them
back again, Sen. Kerry voted to take action against Iraq, but claims to take
that vote back by voting against funding the result. So I can understand my
former comrade-in-arms hugging the man who saved his life, but not the act of
choosing him for president out of gratitude. And I would hate to see anyone
giving Mr. Kerry a sympathy vote for president just because being a Vietnam
veteran is "back in style."
---
Mr. Sherman was a first lieutenant with the U.S. Army Fifth Special Forces
Group (Airborne) in Vietnam, 1967-68.

"Carrie Seddon" wrote in message
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Conduct Unbecoming
Kerry doesn't deserve Vietnam vets' support.

BY STEPHEN SHERMAN Guest to the Wall Street Journal
Monday, January 26, 2004

A turning point may have been reached in the Iowa caucuses when Special
Forces Lt. James Rassmann came forward to thank John Kerry for saving his
life
in Vietnam. Although Mr. Rassmann, like most of my veteran friends, is a
Republican, he said that he'd vote for Mr. Kerry. I don't know if the
incident
influenced the caucus results. But I took special interest in the story
because Jim served in my unit.

I think it was the $6.5 million Kerry got from mortgaging Mrs. Heinz' house
that bought the Iowa cacuses for Kerry.

Service in Vietnam is an important credential to me. Many felt that such
service was beneath them, and removed themselves from the manpower pool.
That
Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans; that
his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling.

More impressive was Representative Ford saying Kerry has 2 siver stars and a
bronze star on Fox this morning.

Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken. But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation, which
he
accepted at face value.

Some South Viet Namese were literally sold into slavery, to pay the Soviet
Union for their support.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Carrie Seddon" wrote in message
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Mr. Kerry served at all is a reason for a bond with fellow veterans;
that
his
service earned him a Bronze Star for Valor ("for personal bravery") and
a
Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling.

I read something in the last day or so that details the circumstances under
which Kerry won his decorations. To say things were very overblown is..well,
accurate.


More impressive was Representative Ford saying Kerry has 2 siver stars and
a
bronze star on Fox this morning.

Unfortunately, Mr.
Kerry came home to Massachusetts, the one state George McGovern carried
in
1972. He joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and emceed the
Winter
Soldier Investigation (both financed by Jane Fonda). Many veterans
believe
these protests led to more American deaths, and to the enslavement of
the
people on whose behalf the protests were ostensibly being undertaken.
But
being a take-charge kind of guy, Mr. Kerry became a leader in the VVAW
and
even testified before Congress on the findings of the Investigation,
which
he
accepted at face value.

Some South Viet Namese were literally sold into slavery, to pay the Soviet
Union for their support.

The North Vietnamese killed more people in South Vietnam AFTER the US left
in 1975 than were killed in eleven years of fighting.

I get a kick out of this. Kerry was wounded 3 times in combat situations
(Shrapnel and bullets...puts him kind of close to the action, no?), but his
medals were overblown and when he requested to be sent back home, as was his
right after being thrice wounded, he was shirking his duties, but GW was
just a stupid youngun when he was AWOL from his cushy, daddy provided
assignment in the ANG.

I swear, somebody's putting LSD in your drinking water.

mike regish

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Silver Star ("for gallantry") is even more compelling.

I read something in the last day or so that details the circumstances
under
which Kerry won his decorations. To say things were very overblown
is..well,
accurate.

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:NYPSb.197888$na.329502@attbi_s04...
I get a kick out of this. Kerry was wounded 3 times in combat situations

All three of his wounds were superficial/band-aid level.

(Shrapnel and bullets...puts him kind of close to the action, no?),

I don't see anyone denying that.

but his
medals were overblown and when he requested to be sent back home, as was
his
right after being thrice wounded, he was shirking his duties,

Three superfical wounds? I've seen people receive more serious injuries
playing sports off duty.

What's more, his Silver Star was for giving the coup de grac to a VC that
was already wounded by a .50 cal. WOW!!!


but GW was
just a stupid youngun when he was AWOL from his cushy, daddy provided
assignment in the ANG.

And here again comes the urban legend about Bush being AWOL...

Spoken like someone totally ignorant of the military.


I swear, somebody's putting LSD in your drinking water.

Must be you putting in what you didn't injest yourself.

Kerry is certainly counting on the gullability of segments of the population
and you're providing him positive feedback.

Try digging a bit outside the mainstream press before shoving your head up
your ass.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in message
news:NYPSb.197888$na.329502@attbi_s04...
I get a kick out of this. Kerry was wounded 3 times in combat situations

All three of his wounds were superficial/band-aid level.

By the grace of God - does this somehow impugn his service?


Three superfical wounds? I've seen people receive more serious injuries
playing sports off duty.

And the point is?


What's more, his Silver Star was for giving the coup de grac to a VC that
was already wounded by a .50 cal. WOW!!!




but GW was
just a stupid youngun when he was AWOL from his cushy, daddy provided
assignment in the ANG.

And here again comes the urban legend about Bush being AWOL...

Spoken like someone totally ignorant of the military.


I swear, somebody's putting LSD in your drinking water.

Must be you putting in what you didn't injest yourself.

Kerry is certainly counting on the gullability of segments of the
population
and you're providing him positive feedback.

Try digging a bit outside the mainstream press before shoving your head up
your ass.