Karma catches up to Mayor Daley

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Did you really want to open that can of worms? Or are you so in thrall
to
the Democrats that you are willing to overlook almost anything? What,
did
they threaten to cut off your welfare? :-)

Can't you read? I believe I was quite clear I distrust both parties.
You,
on the other hand, seem to have rose-colored glasses when it comes to one
of
those parties.

And you seem to be reading disabled: he agreed then provided factual
examples. Seems you're the one with thick, red-colored lenses.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud in
Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
the
most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also perhaps
the most ruthless.

What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most corrupt
president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes a
good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination. LBJ's
history would make mafia dons blush.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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| Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
| Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
| the
| most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
| the most ruthless.
|
| What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
| president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
| corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes
a
| good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
| history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was corrupt, no doubt about it. He probably should have gone to
prison for tax evasion and bribery with the Brown & Root case in 1944. Only
the direct intervention of FDR stopped it. Then there was Bobby Baker. That
was such a liability that Kennedy considered dropping LBJ from the ticket
for reelection. However, the Senate investigative committee had six
Democrats and three Republicans. It voted solidly on party lines to drop the
investigation of LBJ. LBJ had Clark Clifford and Abe Fortas organize the
cover-up -- both of these men were later involved in scandals of their own.
Senator John Williams was subjected to a dirty tricks campaign. In spite of
all this, Baker was indicted in 1967 and actually went to prison for
seventeen months. LBJ, of course, avoided exposure completely as Senators
Ervin, Tallmadge, and Inouye stopped any further Senate investigation. Of
course, all three of these Senators later led the charge against Nixon.

Johnson bragged that he had sex with a secretary on the desk of the Oval
Office. His sexual appetite was enormous.

The reason Johnson kept Hoover on as head of the FBI was because "it is
better to have him inside the tent ****ing out instead of outside ****ing
in."

Nevertheless, Johnson had a long career in public service dating back to
1931. He was elected to Congress in 1937, served in WW II as a
lieutenant-commander from 1941-42. He was elected to the Senate in 1948,
Democratic whip in 1951, minority leader in 1953, and majority leader from
1955-61. He then was elected vice president. He had a thorough grounding in
Texas politics and extensive experience in both the legislative and
executive branches. No President before or since has been so successful in
achieving his legislative agenda. He radically changed the role of the
Federal government, perhaps permanently. Much of his Great Society program
continues today. Whether you think these changes were beneficial or not, he
was certainly effective in getting them implemented.

In article , Tom Sixkiller
wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud in
Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
the
most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also perhaps
the most ruthless.

What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most corrupt
president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes a
good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination. LBJ's
history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was the President who first brought in Brown and Root (now a
Haliburton subsidiary) with various contracts in Viet Nam. Brown was a
small Texas construction company whose campaign contributions went to
Johnson.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
| ...
| Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
| Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
| the
| most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
| the most ruthless.
|
| What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
| president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
| corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes
a
| good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
| history would make mafia dons blush.

Despite Johnson's corruption, I doubt if anyone but Lee Harvey Oswald had
anything to do with Kennedy's assassination. If you listen to all the
conspiracy theories, it is hard to believe that there was anyone in Dallas
on that day who didn't want to kill Kennedy. Mafia gunmen on the grassy
knoll, CIA snipers on the overpass, Cubans in the sewers, Johnson hitmen
everywhere -- indeed, you begin to wonder if there was anybody who was not
in Dallas on that day. And they all wanted to kill Kennedy or, in the more
bizarre theories, Connelly or Jackie.

Oswald was disaffected, had threatened to assassinate other people, left his
palm print on the rifle that killed Kennedy, and was a loner. He didn't need
anyone else to tell him to shoot Kennedy.

You are implying the Republicans do better in this regard. I say BS; both
parties have demonstrated quite clearly they are unable or unwilling to
police their own.

While some of the replies to this statement have been superb, I'm not
convinced that it's really an issue of political party. At the city level,
anytime a single party controls things for any length of time, the
corruption begin to pop up like mushrooms on an old tree stump. Pittsburgh
has painted itself into bankruptcy not because of Democratic Party policies
per se, but because the Democrats have been in control -- not a single
Republican on the city council -- for over 60 uninterupted years. Half the
judges and senior officials in town come from the same 3 or 4 families.
With no competition to keep things honest, the Pittsburgh wing of the
Democratic Party has morphed into one gigantic self-perpetuating machine.
We used to produce steel. Now we produce no-show government jobs for other
people's nephews and brother-in-laws.

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
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| You are implying the Republicans do better in this regard. I say BS;
both
| parties have demonstrated quite clearly they are unable or unwilling to
| police their own.
|
| While some of the replies to this statement have been superb, I'm not
| convinced that it's really an issue of political party. At the city
level,
| anytime a single party controls things for any length of time, the
| corruption begin to pop up like mushrooms on an old tree stump.
Pittsburgh
| has painted itself into bankruptcy not because of Democratic Party
policies
| per se, but because the Democrats have been in control -- not a single
| Republican on the city council -- for over 60 uninterupted years. Half
the
| judges and senior officials in town come from the same 3 or 4 families.
| With no competition to keep things honest, the Pittsburgh wing of the
| Democratic Party has morphed into one gigantic self-perpetuating machine.
| We used to produce steel. Now we produce no-show government jobs for
other
| people's nephews and brother-in-laws.

It would be interesting to find some Republican examples of this.

It would be interesting to find some Republican examples of this.

Yeah, to be perfectly fair, I can't think of any. There are some areas
where Republicans hold a similar dominance. These dynasties typically
haven't been running for as long as the Democrats have enjoyed their
uninterupted reigns. But that's only because the Democrats tend to be
firmly entrenched in older, eastern cities while the Republicans dominate in
younger, western ones. My real point, I guess, is that without any
competitions, local parties change into something that doesn't really match
up with national perception of the party. Even right wingers join the
Democratic party here and in cities like Chicago, because that's the only
way to vote in the "real" election -- the primary races for who wins the
Democratic nomination. The general election in November is just for show.
The real issues and decisions get made during the May primaries.

As a result, things get all mixed up. We actually have a few Democrats here
who occasionally argue (unsucessfully) against their more traditional
brethren for tax cuts, or all things. Boy, did that take some getting used
to when we first moved into town. It was like watching water flow uphill!

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
link.net...
| You are implying the Republicans do better in this regard. I say BS;
both
| parties have demonstrated quite clearly they are unable or unwilling
to
| police their own.
|
| While some of the replies to this statement have been superb, I'm not
| convinced that it's really an issue of political party. At the city
level,
| anytime a single party controls things for any length of time, the
| corruption begin to pop up like mushrooms on an old tree stump.
Pittsburgh
| has painted itself into bankruptcy not because of Democratic Party
policies
| per se, but because the Democrats have been in control -- not a single
| Republican on the city council -- for over 60 uninterupted years. Half
the
| judges and senior officials in town come from the same 3 or 4 families.
| With no competition to keep things honest, the Pittsburgh wing of the
| Democratic Party has morphed into one gigantic self-perpetuating
machine.
| We used to produce steel. Now we produce no-show government jobs for
other
| people's nephews and brother-in-laws.

It would be interesting to find some Republican examples of this.


City of Mesa, Arizona.

You've got it wrong,,, it's not the democratic machine, it's Daley's 'mob
boss' politics which Chicago never seems to have been able to get away from.

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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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I guess both Daley and CBS are finding out that what goes around comes
around.

Still, I would be surprised if anybody but Daley's accusers are fined or
imprisoned. SOP for the Democratic machine. He has already fired the only
reputedly honest man in Chicago -- his budget director. The director
probably is the one who blew the whistle.