Stupid Attorney taling about GPS's

Ahhh Gerald, you are confusing common sense and common knowledge with an
American court room... For GPS to be introduced into a capital case there
either has to be a precedent ruling at the appellant level on it's
admissibility (I am unaware of any such ruling), or experts have to be
called to testify so that the judge can rule on admissibility in this
case... This for your and my protections, not just this Scott guy...

Unfortunately, this is a big game of 'gotcha' where each side tries to trip
the other up, not on the basis of scientific fact, but on the basis of, 'you
forgot to say mother may I'... Scott's Lawyers have a good bet going, for
excluding the gps/lo-jacker readouts... Look at the courts recent
revisiting of finger prints because a sharp defense lawyer realized there
never was an appellant level ruling made on the science, in spite of a
hundred years of acceptance by the courts... Look at the humbling of the
FBI forensic lab, whose preeminent expert proved to be a liar and a
charlatan...

OTOH, jurists insistence of ruling on the basis of rulings made a hundred
years ago, in totally different areas of science long since disproved, as
the basis for their current rulings, forms a vast LaBrea tar pit for pilots
accused by an FAA inspector, and is directly why the FAA/DOT can rule
against a pilot and then appeal to themselves if confronted... This ruling
made long ago about the courts deferring to the FAA (CAA in those days), and
long before numerous more recent rulings limiting the power of the
government to avoid judicial revue, continues to allow federal judges to
turn a blind eye to the FAA/DOT's daily violations the constitutional rights
of pilots... And now Secy Ridge continues the 'family tradition', of raping
any innocent who blunders into a TFR.....

Anyway, back to Scott - guilty or not? I suspect that 99% say guilty...
But 99% thought Rep. Condit was guilty in the Chandra Levy case during the
early going, yet the place and manner of the finding of her corpse now makes
his guilt unlikely... And how many convicted rapists are now being found
innocent by DNA typing...
denny

"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
ink.net...


I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder
trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS."

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Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.
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I expected 1 or 2 replies but not 1 or 2 *hundred*.

Well not to start a legal thread in R.A.P but here is another
great one I read about in an article about the
Martha Stewart trial:

begin
Under cross-examination, Bacanovic's lawyer, Richard Strassberg, tried
to shake up the ink expert's credibility by saying, "You are aware of
the ASTM standards for ink analysis."

"Yeah, I wrote them," Stewart replied. The courtroom burst into laughter.
end

amazing.

Gerald

There is a trial rule taught to all sophomore law students, "Never ask a
question on court you don't already know the answer to"
He obviously forgot the rule...

"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
news

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Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.
--------------

I expected 1 or 2 replies but not 1 or 2 *hundred*.

Well not to start a legal thread in R.A.P but here is another
great one I read about in an article about the
Martha Stewart trial:

begin
Under cross-examination, Bacanovic's lawyer, Richard Strassberg, tried
to shake up the ink expert's credibility by saying, "You are aware of
the ASTM standards for ink analysis."

"Yeah, I wrote them," Stewart replied. The courtroom burst into laughter.
end

amazing.

Gerald

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:48 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
wrote:

There is a trial rule taught to all sophomore law students, "Never ask a
question on court you don't already know the answer to"
He obviously forgot the rule...

This is so very true but most lawyers I believe tend to forget this
rule sometimes. Another story while I was an officer, I had to attend
a DWI case that was finally going to court after about 3 years. While
I was up on the stand, the defense attorney was asking me questions
about the reasons I decided to take the defendant to jail. When the
question about his speech came up. The attorney made the comment
about his dialect and the part of the state that he was from and asked
me if I took this into account. I told him that I do take such things
into account. He then asked me "So officer, How many people do you
know from XYZ, Texas". At first I thought this question was a joke.
I then looked over at the jury and gave my answer... Well, including
myself and my family and all the people I went to school with as a
kid... A whole lot of other people! The jury rolled. The attorney
sat down and had no further questions.
The defendant was found guilty.

Scott

Oh gawd, blew his own cajones off, right in public... That's hysterical...
In a previous lifetime I spent time covering the jail, so I got to hear, and
see, a lot of stories...

One night I'm working the hospital ER, the jail crew brings in Juan, who I
have seen at the jail a number of times, trussed up like a roasting
chicken... Seems he got into a punch up with the guards over something or
other..He has a cut on his head and some on his hands I need to sew up... I
tell them they have to remove the cuffs... They are incredulous and tell me
he is a bad ass and he will punch me... I insist and finally they do, and
stand back smirking...
I lean over Juan and I say, "Juan, if you punch me, you know what I am going
to do?"
Juan looks at me with a steely glint in his eyes, "What you gonna do, doc?",
he challenges me...
"I'm going to fall down and bleed all over you.", I say, wagging my finger
under his nose...
He blinks a few times, then his lips start to quiver, and then he snorts,
and finally he becomes helpless with laughter...

After I get done suturing his cuts, and the guards put his cuffs back on and
link them to his ankle bracelets, and are ready to lead him out, he looks
over at me...
"Hey doc, you OK for a grrriingo... Anyone gives you trouble, you let me
know... I weel take care of them." And out he went...
About a year later I saw in the paper where he bled to death on a street
corner...
Kind of spoiled my day... He was sociopath but he could be likeable at
times...
denny

"SD" sdatverizondot.net@ wrote in message He then asked me "So officer,
How many people do you
know from XYZ, Texas". At first I thought this question was a joke.
I then looked over at the jury and gave my answer... Well, including
myself and my family and all the people I went to school with as a
kid... A whole lot of other people! The jury rolled.

Gerald Sylvester wrote in message link.net...
I never read anything about this Scott Petersen murder
trial before. I saw a headline about a "GPS." I started
to read it and I guess the guys car had a GPS in it
and the prosecution is trying to place him at the murder
scene. Well the defense attorney is saying the GPS
is inaccurate due to a malfunction and made the
moronic comment of:
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Peterson's attorney, Mark Geragos, argued that the information gathered
through global positioning system technology was not accurate. GPS uses
signals from dozens of satellites to show a receiver's position to
within a few feet.

"If the FAA will not approve GPS for the landing of an aircraft, how can
a court of law approve its forensic use in a capital case?" he said.
--------------

The attorney's job is to protect his client. 90% of law is procedural
and most cases are won/lost on procedure. Perhaps he's afraid the GPS
will put his client at the location. However, I'd be surprised if the
GPS actually kept any data.

-Robert

The attorney's job is to protect his client. 90% of law is procedural
and most cases are won/lost on procedure. Perhaps he's afraid the GPS
will put his client at the location. However, I'd be surprised if the
GPS actually kept any data.


As I understand this, the GPS devices were put on his car to track his
movements AFTER Laci was missing.

I don't see how that can place him at the scene. It can only support the
evidence of his affair.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Wdtabor ) wrote:

I don't see how that can place him at the scene. It can only support
the evidence of his affair.

According to one news report, the GPS log supposedly shows that he twice
returned to a beach near the location where his wife's body washed up.

--
Peter












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Peter R. wrote in message ...
Wdtabor ) wrote:

I don't see how that can place him at the scene. It can only support
the evidence of his affair.

According to one news report, the GPS log supposedly shows that he twice
returned to a beach near the location where his wife's body washed up.

Did he know about the GPS in his car? ****, if he did I can't imagine
he'd be that dumb. There is evidence that this isn't the first time
he's done this. Another girl he was interested in about 10 years ago
also disappeared and was never heard of again. Sounds like he's a pro.

-Robert