Stupid Attorney taling about GPS's

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:33:31 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

At that point Scott's Attorney would be well on
his way to giving testimony illegally.

The lawyer wasn't giving testimony! He can say any damn thing he
pleases, subject to being shut up by the judge.

Sheez. You're on this newsgroup, too?

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:33:31 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

At that point Scott's Attorney would be well on
his way to giving testimony illegally.

The lawyer wasn't giving testimony! He can say any damn thing he
pleases, subject to being shut up by the judge.

No.

Dave S wrote:

Good call on the judge allowing the evidence.

What evidence? Gerald's post simply stated that an attorney made an obviously
incorrect statement. What did I miss?

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

Dave

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Dave S wrote:

Good call on the judge allowing the evidence.


What evidence? Gerald's post simply stated that an attorney made an obviously
incorrect statement. What did I miss?

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

Howdy!

In article .net,
Dave S wrote:
The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

On its face, this is a bit disturbing. Did the police have the sanction
of the courts before emplacing these devices? If not, it smacks of
unlawful search, etc. On the other hand, if a court issued the moral
equivalent of a search warrant permitting the use of them, he's just in
deep doodoo...

yours,
Michael


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"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article .net,
Dave S wrote:
The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

On its face, this is a bit disturbing. Did the police have the sanction
of the courts before emplacing these devices? If not, it smacks of
unlawful search, etc. On the other hand, if a court issued the moral
equivalent of a search warrant permitting the use of them, he's just in
deep doodoo...

They're performing surveillance, not conducting a search.

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article .net,
Dave S wrote:
The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

On its face, this is a bit disturbing. Did the police have the sanction
of the courts before emplacing these devices? If not, it smacks of
unlawful search, etc. On the other hand, if a court issued the moral
equivalent of a search warrant permitting the use of them, he's just in
deep doodoo...


I'm quite sure if the action was even bordering on Mr. Peterson's rights his
attorney would have been using that to get the tracking thrown out.

Howdy!

In article ,
Gig Giacona wrote:

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article .net,
Dave S wrote:
The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

On its face, this is a bit disturbing. Did the police have the sanction
of the courts before emplacing these devices? If not, it smacks of
unlawful search, etc. On the other hand, if a court issued the moral
equivalent of a search warrant permitting the use of them, he's just in
deep doodoo...


I'm quite sure if the action was even bordering on Mr. Peterson's rights his
attorney would have been using that to get the tracking thrown out.

I would not be so blindly confident in his attorney's attention to detail.

How would you feel about the police secreting a GPS tracker on your vehicles?
If they were doing it on their own recognizance, I'd expect information
so gathered to be tainted. If they convinced a judge that it needed done,
they would be on firmer ground. ...and tame judges can be found in most
jurisdictions.

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article ,
Gig Giacona wrote:

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article .net,
Dave S wrote:
The actual news article goes into this detail. After Laci Peterson was
reported missing, the police department placed covert GPS tracking
devices on all of his vehicles and monitored the vehicle (and
therefore
Scott's) whereabouts pretty much constantly. This explains how they
thought he was headed for Mexico to flee the country. The defense
attorney is trying to get this surveillance data thrown
out/disallowed..
and in trying to do so invoked the claim that if GPS wasnt accurate
enough to land airplanes, it wasnt iron-clad enough to be used as
evidence in a capital case.

On its face, this is a bit disturbing. Did the police have the sanction
of the courts before emplacing these devices? If not, it smacks of
unlawful search, etc. On the other hand, if a court issued the moral
equivalent of a search warrant permitting the use of them, he's just in
deep doodoo...


I'm quite sure if the action was even bordering on Mr. Peterson's rights
his
attorney would have been using that to get the tracking thrown out.

I would not be so blindly confident in his attorney's attention to detail.

How would you feel about the police secreting a GPS tracker on your
vehicles?
If they were doing it on their own recognizance, I'd expect information
so gathered to be tainted. If they convinced a judge that it needed done,
they would be on firmer ground. ...and tame judges can be found in most
jurisdictions.

yours,
Michael

In this case there are multiple attorneys working for his side. I'm pretty
sure if there wasn't a warrant or some pretty strong precedence on the
matter somebody on the defense team would have though of it [We did] or had
it brought to their attention.

GigG

Dave S wrote:

Airplanes get the same great horizonal guidance, and GPS has been used
for YEARS and approved in an enroute, terminal and approach environment.
The only thing keeping GPS from being used to "land airplanes" is the
vertical guidance component.

Even WAAS will not "land" an aircraft. GPS supports non-precision
approaches today.

Ron Lee