Thunderbird Crash Footage

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
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...and "QFE" by itself as a Google search yields 50,000+ hits, starting
with "Quad Fast Ethernet". grin Adding "altimeter" to the search
brings up what you need.

But as a student pilot, please recall that the most stupid question
is the one that you don't ask. If there's something about flying
that you don't understand, it's far better to ask it while sitting
in front of a monitor at home than to realize while on short final
that you need the answer before landing...

And while definitions of "QFE" found on Google will probably be
correct, there are issues where a search on Google will return
conflicting responses. (surprised?) Ask the questions here and
you might also get conflicting responses, but you'll also get a
discussion as other posters offer arguments for or against one
of the answers, giving you some ideas about what to ask your instructor
in a face-to-face discussion.

And welcome to the ranks of aviation!

Joe Morris

Thank you Joe...

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
3.2 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

Big John wrote:


QFE is a Q code used by pilots and air traffic control


Not in this country.

you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

BT

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

Why not
"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:fg81c.12502$id3.1896@fed1read01...
you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

BT

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

S Green wrote:

Why not

Altimeters simply can't be set that high. The adjustment mechanism doesn't
have the range.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

the adjustment range to set the altimeter to the proper pressure will not
move to adjust 2800ft of altitude.

try it some time, to adjust from a "standard 29.92" at sea level. Move that
altimeter to my airport at 2833MSL and it still says 29.92, now try to move
it to read 0, this would require you to move the setting more than 2800 feet
which exceeds the capability of a standard aviation altimeter.

BT

"S Green" wrote in message
...
Why not
"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:fg81c.12502$id3.1896@fed1read01...
you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

BT

"Joe Morris" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

The pilot survived, right?

His health is fine.

His career, I sadly suspect, is not.

A comment from one of the ASF people at a CFIRC I was at over the
past weekend was that he is now flying a desk at the Pentagon.

The same man stated that the problem was that the pilot had become
too comfortable with practicing the maneuver at his home base, which
was about 800 (+/-; I don't recall the exact number) feet lower
than the airfield at which the accident occurred. At the accident
location he set up the split-S so that the top was at the proper
altitude MSL -- at his home base, meaning that the entire maneuver
was executed 800 feet lower than it should have been.

I have *no* military jet experience, but especially for airshows I'm
somewhat surprised that there isn't an altimeter set to QFE to serve
as a sanity check against exactly this sort of problem.

Joe Morris

"BTIZ" writes:

you can't set QFE when the field elevation is that high above sea level

Perhaps not on a regular (civilian) aircraft altimeter, but given the
number of toys that are part of a typical military bird it would seem
that something as simple as a parachute jumper's alitmeter (which *is*
designed to be set to QFE) would be a good, inexpensive way to do
a sanity check on altitudes used in low-level aerobatics.

Joe Morris