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![]() Is that not how the republicans got a majority in both houses after 911 The republicans had both houses long before 9-11. |
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The Spanish voted in a Socialist government because the Right wing
government lied to then too often. Firdtly over the reasons for going to war and then quickly blaming ETA when it appears not to be. The government was punished for that - not to appease terrorists. True or not, it doesn't matter. (And given the pre-election polls in Spain, I doubt your conclusions.) What matters is what the terrorists perceive -- not what you and I believe. And I don't see how they can learn any lesson but this: "Bombs+Massive Casualties = Troops out of Middle East." The actions of Spain have endangered us all. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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In article hE85c.8720$J05.102917@attbi_s01, "Michael 182"
writes: How did you get from electing socialists to legitimizing Islam fundamentalists? Quite simple. By staging their attack just before an election, the Islamic facists effectively took down an entire government. The socialists were expected to loose by a wide margin before the attack. Most socialist parties and organizations have been far more friendly to the Islamic cause than anyone else. Expect similar just before the next election in Britain. Fortunately, we may be luckier, as such an attack in America would likely have the opposite effect. We will see. John |
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In article , JohnMcGrew wrote:
expected to loose by a wide margin before the attack. Most socialist parties and organizations have been far more friendly to the Islamic cause than anyone else. Expect similar just before the next election in Britain. Let's see: Britain currently has a socialist (or at least quasi-socialist) party in power at the moment: the Labour Party. The Conservative Party is at least as gung-ho, if not more so about supporting the United States. The 'special relationship' with the US enjoys strong cross-party support in Britain. The terrorists would likely just bring in a government with an even stronger resolve to keep fighting. I think those who say the Spanish changed the Government because of a terrorist act are missing the point: the Spanish changed their government because the one in power tried to lie and distort and spin about the whole tragic affair and got caught. The Spanish didn't elect the other lot to appease terrorists, they elected the other lot to punish the incumbent for bare-faced lying. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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![]() Dylan Smith wrote: I think those who say the Spanish changed the Government because of a terrorist act are missing the point: the Spanish changed their government because the one in power tried to lie and distort and spin about the whole tragic affair and got caught. Few, if any, have argued with that. The problem is that outfits like Al Quaida will not see it this way. Even if their leaders do, they will fomulate in the ranks the idea that their actions changed the election results and got Spanish troops pulled out. Sorta like "Ok, you guys did real well last time, go do it again somewhere else." Now, if they perceive the Conservative Party as being more hawkish than Labour, they probably will not try to influence the British elections this way, but the way the media is beginning to spin the two parties here in the States, Al Quaida might well feel that a victory by the Democrats would be advantageous. *If* they come to that conclusion, they might also feel that another strike just before the election would hand Kerry the presidency. That's two "ifs", but the Spanish elections make that second if much more likely. George Patterson Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would not yield to the tongue. |
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![]() Let's see: Britain currently has a socialist (or at least quasi-socialist) party in power at the moment: the Labour Party. The Conservative Party is at least as gung-ho, if not more so about supporting the United States. The 'special relationship' with the US enjoys strong cross-party support in Britain. The terrorists would likely just bring in a government with an even stronger resolve to keep fighting. Nobody ever said that they were smart. But still, taking down Blair would be considered a great accomplishment. They are likely to accomplish that without bombing a railroad: Labour may well do it for them. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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![]() That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well. On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:26:18 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote: The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather like last time. With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very attackers they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process. This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on
Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well. More worrisome are the U.S. elections in the fall, IMHO. The terrorists have seen what can be accomplished in Spain; they may assume Kerry is the equivalent of the Socialists? Nothing good can come of this. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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![]() "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well. On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:26:18 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote: The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather like last time. With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very attackers they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process. This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has. One report earlier this morning gave rise to the possibility it was locals, not any Islamic terrorists. Another gave a possible link back to the Socialists. |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
... That was my reaction also. I don't know if it makes random attacks on Spanish targets more likely, but it certainly makes attacks on BRITISH targets more likely. Probably Polish targets as well. I disagree. Britain has always been a target. An attack would not change government policy (even if Labour were kicked out, the Conservatives are even more bullish). And the UK have a clearer sense of their global responsibilities than Spain. Of course, this doesn't preclude an attack out of spite, but that is as likely now as it was before the weekend. The most likely enhanced targets are France and Germany (over the hajib issue), and in fact these two have today called for an EU-wide emergency security conference. The big loser in this is not the coalition forces in Iraq; rather it is the institutions of the EU. The idea of a common defense force is exposed as a farce (with Spain turning tail after just one bloody nose), and continent-wide unity dealt a further blow (as the Spanish political establishment is clearly not in the least concerned that their actions have made life more dangerous and difficult for the rest of the people of the EU). |
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