Stop the noise

Cub Driver wrote:

There are nuts on both sides of the issue, and from what I hear, the
AOPA should save its powder for another battle.

I disagree. To quote the AOPA article ...

"Meanwhile, if you check the Stop the Noise Web site (and get ready to be upset),
you will see that they have expanded their scope and now have their sights set
on motorcycles and the coming Sport Pilot movement.

What concerns us — and should concern every pilot — is that, taken to its
improbable conclusion, every pilot in the United States could be adversely
affected by this case. This lawsuit isn't about breaking any regulations; it's
about someone complaining about legal noise overhead. That puts the pilot of a
single-engine trainer flying at 2,500 feet and the pilot of a Boeing 757 flying
at 35,000 feet in equal jeopardy."

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

There's a similar effort going on in Mineral Point, WI.

http://www.stopthestunts.com

There's a similar effort going on in Mineral Point, WI.

http://www.stopthestunts.com

Now THAT'S disturbing.

Imagine -- I would KILL to be able to watch aerobatics every day, and these
folks are trying to legally disallow it.

Different strokes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:KZ37c.50321$Cb.798521@attbi_s51...
There's a similar effort going on in Mineral Point, WI.
http://www.stopthestunts.com
Now THAT'S disturbing.
Imagine -- I would KILL to be able to watch aerobatics every day, and
these
folks are trying to legally disallow it.
I live right under the aerobatic area northwest of KBED near I-495. About
12 years ago I had had enough of the noise and went looking for the plane
that was the worst offender. That led to my becoming a pilot and now, I do
enjoy watching for a few hours, but not continuously. I can't afford it
right now, but I want to take the aerobatic flying course at KBED. When I
do, I will insist on practicing further out in central MA, or over the
ocean, etc as not to disturb people, even if I have to pay for a bit more
flight time to get out and back.

Inconsiderate pilots give us all a bad name and generate reactions that now
include law suits.

"William W. Plummer" wrote:

When I do, I will insist on practicing further out in central MA, or over the

ocean, etc as not to disturb people, even if I have to pay for a bit more
flight time to get out and back.

That's just plain stupid.
You want to practice over an area where you have good depth perception and
discrimination of relative motion. You don't get that over open water. Just
one of the reasons seaplanes crash on glassy water landings. Can you tell the
difference between 6 foot swells and wind blown whitecaps from 300 feet?
Aerobatic maneuvers are flown by reference to landmarks, not compass headings.
Your head has to be out of the cockpit, not inside.

"Eric Rood" wrote in message
...
"William W. Plummer" wrote:
When I do, I will insist on practicing further out in central MA, or
over the
ocean, etc as not to disturb people, even if I have to pay for a bit
more
flight time to get out and back.

That's just plain stupid.
You want to practice over an area where you have good depth perception and
discrimination of relative motion. You don't get that over open water.
Just
one of the reasons seaplanes crash on glassy water landings. Can you tell
the
difference between 6 foot swells and wind blown whitecaps from 300 feet?
Aerobatic maneuvers are flown by reference to landmarks, not compass
headings.
Your head has to be out of the cockpit, not inside.

Name calling damages your image and doesn't prove anything.

Except for a few spin entries in a glider, I've never had any aerobatic
training. So, I don't know how the maneuvers are flown. It well could be
that the ocean is not a good practice area, or that flying over certain sea
state is not recommended. This could be similar to not flying into known
icing conditions.

Again, my concern is for the people on the ground and the noise that I might
be causing. Whether or not it is wise to practice aerobatics over the
ocean is a red herring. But I'll take your bait: trying to judge height by
looking down over glassy water in a seaplane is responsible for many
accidents. At least that is what my ASES instructor said.

I live right under the aerobatic area northwest of KBED near I-495. About
12 years ago I had had enough of the noise and went looking for the plane
that was the worst offender. That led to my becoming a pilot and now, I do
enjoy watching for a few hours, but not continuously.

A wonderful story. Thank you!


all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

http://www.stopthestunts.com

It appears the owner of this domain is also the Innkeeper of

http://www.maplewoodlodge.com/

Which I believe is only a mile north of the airport. So I imagine the stunt
flying might be disrupting his business in some way?

It appears the owner of this domain is also the Innkeeper of

http://www.maplewoodlodge.com/

Which I believe is only a mile north of the airport. So I imagine the
stunt
flying might be disrupting his business in some way?

Well, shoot -- let's move that aerobatic box to Iowa City. It would HELP
*my* business!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just
don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They
don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their
lives.

We could return to an existence where airplanes, motorcycles, leaf blowers,
boom boxes, jet skis and all other noisy artifacts of civilization were
banned, but that would be tantamount to a ban on civilization itself. The
world in those times was very inefficient. A return to the food production
and manufacturing processes of those days would flood the earth with
pollution and produce only a tiny fraction of vital goods and services.
Billions would die.

There may have been a time when anti-social types could live as hermits in
remote mountain areas and never have to come into contact with another human
for the rest of their lives. That time is over.

You can regulate it all you want, but the anti-noise crowd will never find
the silence it craves.

They assume that flying aerobatics is needless recreation -- as if
recreation is somehow something that we can live without. That assumption is
entirely unfounded. They have built their argument on a rotten foundation.
You simply cannot ask everyone who bothers you to stop bothering you or
leave the planet.

People need to learn to be more tolerant of being constantly touched by
others, hearing their noise, putting up with their smell, and seeing them
everywhere. Those who cannot be tolerant will suffer endlessly, no matter
how many lawsuits they file.