Stop the noise

in article , G.R. Patterson III at
wrote on 3/21/04 7:21 AM:



Saryon wrote:

Dunno. They're targeting *all* aircraft doing anything within earshot
of them. Where does it stop?

According to AOPA, they also have plans to sue motorcycle owners.

You know, I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that I'm not
entirely unsympathetic to these folks. After years of having my nerves and
eardrums shattered by every jackass on a Harley Davidson or every teenager
with a hotrod, my tolerance for someone else's noisy recreational activities
has hit an alltime low. As a pilot, I try to keep that in mind every time I
fly near a populated area. The most selfish act in the world is to assume
that everyone else wants to share in your activities.

I must hasten to add that I have no idea what kind of noise levels we're
talking about with the aerobatics--if the pilots are in compliance with the
FARs and staying above a certain altitude, what would be the approximate
decibel level for folks on the ground?

You know, I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that I'm not
entirely unsympathetic to these folks. After years of having my nerves and
eardrums shattered by every jackass on a Harley Davidson or every teenager
with a hotrod, my tolerance for someone else's noisy recreational
activities
has hit an alltime low.

Agree 100%. Even though I've been riding motorcycles for over 25 years, my
blood boils every time some idiot rides by on a Harley with straight pipes.

They make us all look bad, and bring on lawsuits like the one in question.

Of course, the REAL lawsuit should be filed against the police, who refuse
to enforce the existing laws. Straight pipes *are* illegal, at least around
here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Rvo7c.55569$Cb.862604@attbi_s51...
You know, I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that I'm
not
entirely unsympathetic to these folks. After years of having my nerves
and
eardrums shattered by every jackass on a Harley Davidson or every
teenager
with a hotrod, my tolerance for someone else's noisy recreational
activities
has hit an alltime low.

Agree 100%. Even though I've been riding motorcycles for over 25 years,
my
blood boils every time some idiot rides by on a Harley with straight
pipes.

They make us all look bad, and bring on lawsuits like the one in question.

Of course, the REAL lawsuit should be filed against the police, who refuse
to enforce the existing laws. Straight pipes *are* illegal, at least
around
here.

Here too.

It used be charged under "Disturbing the Peace", but that was before police
spent half their time on "drug enforcement" or "revenue gathering". Barely
thirty years ago, that was the primary function of smaller town police (any
sort of disturbance), but now...

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:59:02 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


It used be charged under "Disturbing the Peace", but that was before police
spent half their time on "drug enforcement" or "revenue gathering". Barely
thirty years ago, that was the primary function of smaller town police (any
sort of disturbance), but now...

There is a problem with your theory Tom. As a police officer for
almost 15 years there are even rules that we have to follow. As far
as disturbing the peace, where I was from, there had to be a
complaintant. The police officers Peace could not be broken. He can
be cussed at, yelled at, have a car go right beside him with the glass
pulsating from the base, what ever and he can not do anything about
it. But if I had a citizen complain about it, then I could. It is
the courts that have made it that way. They would throw the case out
without someone else complaining. And as far as your "drug
enforcement" and "Revenue gathering" comment, Most of my 10 hour
shift consisted of going call to call. And I would say approximately
80% +- 10% of those calls involved alcohol or drugs in one fashion or
another. Either it was a domestic violence situation where one or all
parties involved had something on board or a burglary or theft so the
thief could get some quick cash for their fix. If I brought back 2
tickets to the station at the end of my shift that would be a good
night. And that is usually because someone did something real stupid
in front of me and half a dozen other people and they all look at me
like "Well, you going to stop him".

So stop your generalization of officers. Most out there are trying to
do thier job and do it right. I am not saying that there are a few
out there that do make us look bad, just like here in the aviation
world. I have been a pilot for almost 8 years now and have seen my
share of people who dont care about what others think and bust Fars
all the time. But it is the system that ties their hands and prevents
them from doing things, not because they dont want to.

Scott

They're targeting *all* aircraft doing anything within earshot
of them. Where does it stop?


Maybe when they have to give up their leaf blowers.

Jose

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On 21 Mar 2004 16:37:45 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:


They're targeting *all* aircraft doing anything within earshot
of them. Where does it stop?


Maybe when they have to give up their leaf blowers.

And when they're at it maybe they should also give up their motorized
lawn mowers, go back to using horses-and-buggies, and have live
four-string-quartets instead of radios for music. Sounds like we're
onto something here....

(Teacherjh) wrote in message ...

They're targeting *all* aircraft doing anything within earshot
of them. Where does it stop?


Maybe when they have to give up their leaf blowers.

Jose

Or when they have to give up their noisy automobiles. "Sorry pal, all
the freeways are shut down from now on since they exceed the new
property owner's DB noise ratings. Enjoy the side-street traffic."

pacplyer

Cub Driver wrote:

There are nuts on both sides of the issue, and from what I hear, the
AOPA should save its powder for another battle.

I disagree. To quote the AOPA article ...

"Meanwhile, if you check the Stop the Noise Web site (and get ready to be upset),
you will see that they have expanded their scope and now have their sights set
on motorcycles and the coming Sport Pilot movement.

What concerns us — and should concern every pilot — is that, taken to its
improbable conclusion, every pilot in the United States could be adversely
affected by this case. This lawsuit isn't about breaking any regulations; it's
about someone complaining about legal noise overhead. That puts the pilot of a
single-engine trainer flying at 2,500 feet and the pilot of a Boeing 757 flying
at 35,000 feet in equal jeopardy."

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.