Harley engine special

jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the
time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all
that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

Today I used some Poly-Tak, an aircraft fabric cement, as a structural
adhesive. I don't use Poly-Brush as a structural adhesive, but you're
welcome to for those little flitting 50 mph things you build.

"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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jls wrote:

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the
time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all
that
good with facts, are you?

Neither are you, for that matter.

Go back to the Polyfiber manual...

Lest others are misled by you and the BOob:

http://www.polyfiber.com/techquestions/attachingfabric/

" jls" wrote in message ...
"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...


Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all that
good with facts, are you?

Kinda makes one wonder whether he even built that Fly Baby,,doesn't it ???

"Ben Haas" wrote in message
om...
" jls" wrote in message
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"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the
time he
covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue and
finish
it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman's O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush.

Poly-Tak is the glue; poly-brush is a weave filler. You're not all
that
good with facts, are you?

Kinda makes one wonder whether he even built that Fly Baby,,doesn't it ???

You can safely assume he didn't, unless there are pictures and supporting
affidavits. An authentic builder, not BB, built the single-place RV-3 he
flies.

Barnyard BOb - wrote in
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Both these guys are classic extremes of how dumb luck can rule!
Blanton survived in spite of himself while Wittman died because of
himself. - Barnyard BOb -

Not so fast, BoOb. Wittman was around 90 when he died. At the time
he covered his aircraft with polyester fabric and used dope to glue
and finish it, it was a popular thing to do. - jls
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

GEEZUS!!!!

Perhaps you did not see Dave Hyde's post regarding Wittman....

"AILERON-WING FLUTTER INDUCED BY
SEPARATION AT THE TRAILING EDGE OF AN UNBONDED
PORTION OF WING FABRIC AT AN AILERON WING STATION.
THE DEBONDING OF THE WING FABRIC WAS A RESULT OF
IMPROPER INSTALLATION."

Also...
Steve Wittman Accident

http://www.beginat.com/EAA724/newsltrs/96-02.htm
The February Sport Aviation has a summary of the findings of the NTSB
on the cause of the crash of Steve Wittman’s O&O Special last April.
To condense and simplify the article greatly, it appeared that Steve
painted the Poly-Fiber covering to the plywood wing with the nitrate
dope he had used for years with natural fiber wing coverings, instead
of with the approved Poly-Brush. The O&O Special flew for 10 years.
The NTSB believes that on the April trip back to Oshkosh, the fabric
in front of the right aileron finally debonded and ballooned up, which
caused the aileron and then both wings to flutter. The wings separated
from the aircraft. The article stresses the importance of using
components approved by the manufacturer when covering an aircraft.

MY POINT for you guys too dense to understand --
One is never too young, too old or too famous to
*NOT* 'screw the pooch'. --- correction

screw+the+pooch...
buy the farm...not just a screw up...
the most major screw up...
like auger in...
ask a pilot

JFK JR, screwed the pooch!

screw+the+pooch....
to **** up


Barnyard BOb --


WOW bet he wished he had a BRS system heh???


--
ET ---- (ducking and running)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:19:23 GMT, ET wrote:


MY POINT for you guys too dense to understand --
One is never too young, too old or too famous to
*NOT* 'screw the pooch'. --- correction

screw+the+pooch...
buy the farm...not just a screw up...
the most major screw up...
like auger in...
ask a pilot

JFK JR, screwed the pooch!

screw+the+pooch....
to **** up


Barnyard BOb --


WOW bet he wished he had a BRS system heh???
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You can't believe the 'lively' exchange this
subject generated on the RV List when a BRS
engineer 'axed' for comments concerning
equipping RV's with the BRS system.

Barnyard BOb --

On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:19:23 GMT, ET wrote:

WOW bet he wished he had a BRS system heh???

I doubt he'd have had time to deploy it. Destructive flutter can be
blindingly quick and violent, especially flutter that rips wings off.

I'm guessing they would have felt a violent shaking as their initial
"warning", a split second later the wings depart and the fuselage
gyrates to the ground pinning them inside due to the G forces.

Corky Scott

"ET" wrote in message
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Barnyard BOb - wrote in
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Barnyard BOb blahblahblahblahblah --


WOW bet he [Steve Wittman] wished he had a BRS system heh???


--
ET ---- (ducking and running)


Funny you should bring that up. This evening on the 6:30 ABC news, Peter
Jennings' last item was devoted to the ballistic chute. The Cirrus owner
who lost a wing and deployed his chute over Dallas was interviewed, and his
plane shown, "intact" the owner said, in the bushes near a golf course.
Also interviewed was one of the Klapmeiers, a Cirrus designer/engineer. A
high-wing Cessna was shown deploying its chute, as well as a
downward-spiraling ultralight with its wings folded up. Whoever was in the
ultralight would have surely screwed the pooch had the ballistic chute not
opened.

I have a lot of respect for Steve Wittman and feel a little disdain for
someone like the BOob making light of his sad demise. As between Wittman,
for whom the airport, Wittman Field, at Oshkosh is named, and BOob, the
latter will never have poetry written to honor him or go down in history as
a great flier, aircraft innovator. and air racer.

" jls" wrote in message
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I have a lot of respect for Steve Wittman and feel a little disdain for
someone like the BOob making light of his sad demise. As between
Wittman,
for whom the airport, Wittman Field, at Oshkosh is named, and BOob, the
latter will never have poetry written to honor him or go down in history
as
a great flier, aircraft innovator. and air racer.


Plonk!