Unruly Passengers

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

What would you do if your passengers lit up their marijuana in the
back of a twin?


I'd inform them smoking is not allowed aboard my aircraft.

What, no Mag-Lite to the bridge of the nose? That would work, too.

And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane? Steven is
slipping.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.


It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.

It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

It's not his "right" to cause trauma to you, to people on the ground, to
subject you to lost income and inconvenience during an FAA and/or police
investigation, etc. If he wants to end his life, he can damn well do it
at home.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Why are we hiding from the police, mommy?"
"Because we use vi, dear, and they use emacs."

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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It's not his "right" to cause trauma to you, to people on the ground,


Agreed, he has no right to harm anyone else or anyone else's property.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

I'd be afraid of him breaking something on the way out.

- Andrew

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.


It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

Agreed...vehemently. (Though the points made about falling hazards, etc.,
are quite legitimate. His life is his own, but go quietly into that long
good-night..)

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.


It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

Agreed...vehemently. (Though the points made about falling hazards, etc.,
are quite legitimate. His life is his own, but go quietly into that long
good-night..)

Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to themselves.
No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others. (Well, maybe Saddam Hussein could.)

People who wish to kill themselves rarely, perhaps never, stay that way for
long. Those who are stopped are invariably thankful that someone intervened.
A better approach is counseling and help with their problems. Suicide is
always dangerous to others. People are stuck with the chore of cleaning up
afterwards. Everyone has to pay the costs of medical care for botched
suicide attempts, which far outnumber successful suicides. Many would-be
suicides end up permanently disabled, adding a further burden to taxpayers
and insurance payers, often for decades.

Family members and friends are invariably traumatized by the event.
Marriages are broken up and children are raised without parents. The
children of suicides are far more likely to commit suicide themselves when
they get older. Their grades suffer and they become less productive as
adults. Fortunes are wasted on counseling. Many turn to drugs, with
corresponding effects on crime, society, and the economy.

Killing yourself does not make your problems go away. It just transfers them
to someone else. It may come as a shock to you, but most people think it is
better to deal with problems rather than run away from them. The vast
majority of people, even those with terrible, terminal diseases, manage to
get by from day to day and even do something productive. It is an insult to
these brave individuals to suggest that killing yourself might be a better
alternative.

Letting some guy who is drunk, disoriented, or distressed kill himself
'because it his right' is a gross disservice to both the individual and the
community around him.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.


In a free society one's life is their own.



No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others.


Irrelevant.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.


In a free society one's life is their own.


That would only be true if killing yourself does not make everybody else
less free. Suicide impinges on the freedom of everyone else, who must now
support the suicide's family, educate his children, pay for his medical
bills, and possibly even support him for the rest of his life if he botches
the attempt and merely permanently disables himself. We also have to pay
higher insurance premiums, clean up mess, deal with reduced property values,
and suffer many other economic costs imposed on us by the suicide.

Suicide reduces freedom. It is worth noting that suicide rates are highest
in societies that have the least amount of freedom, as in imperial Rome and
feudal Japan. A society that tolerates or even encourages suicide is the
antithesis of free.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:49:09 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
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Suicide reduces freedom.

That must be the reason Arab children are schooled in it. :-(