Ramp checked at AVP today

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

That reminds me of what my flight instructor said on the subject of
whether the FAA actually requires a certificated pilot or mechanic at
the controls when you are propping a plane: "Dan, there are a whole
lot of reasons why you would not want this to become an issue."


all the best -- Dan Ford
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vincent p. norris wrote in message . ..
Again, you DO clearly need current IFR charts --

Although I can't imagine setting off on an IFR flight without a
current IFR chart, it is not requried to have ANY chart on an IFR
flight! If you get to your destination without a problem fine.

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

vince norris

Maybe from a literal reading context under part 91. But the
individual ops specs of FAR135 or FAR121 will specifiy what pubs
crewmembers must carry. But still Vince, I just can't buy this even
under part 91. The careless and reckless part of the regs will always
be applicable. And the FAA may require an IFR proficiency check on
your ass. If you show up without charts the check is over before it
even starts.

I once was jumpseating on an MD-11 from HKG to OAK. The Captain felt
that way and just decided that he'd use the F/O's Jepps that trip so
he left his at home(what an asshole.) Anyway the co-pilot pulls out
his STAR that ATC just cleared him on and sets it on the center
pedastal in front of the thrust levers so that both pilots could see
the arrival. We didn't see it happen, but I've witnessed this befo
It just disappeared! Suction from avionics fans probably slurpped it
down the crack! I made the mistake of telling the captain about this
possibility as he was blaming the F/O for losing it. The Capt then
asks me to tear up the floor hatch behind him and go down in the "hell
hole" and look for it. That was the end of my white shirt! About
like an MIR space station EVA. Took a couple of minutes hanging
upside down just to look for the damned avionics bay light switch down
there. Then it was a real snake act to get my fat body through the
tiny hole and traverse over up under the center cockpit. Never did
find it.

Moral of the story: carry your ****ing charts, dammit!

pacplyer - out

Cub Driver wrote:

There is no legal requirement for you to carry VFR charts period -- just a
requirement that you obtain all necessary information before the flight.

I've been told (never been ramp-checked myself) that the FAA guy can
interpret this to mean that your chart must be current.

As of 1997, this is not the case, according to inspector Ryan of the Allentown FSDO.
The triggering incident was a case in which an inspector violated a pilot for having
an out-of-date database in his GPS. The inspector argued that this was exactly the
same as having an out-of-date chart. The FAA agreed with the logic and issued orders
to all the inspectors that out-of-date charts are ok.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
Only the W&B form signed by a mechanic counts as the legally required W&B --
a GPS database does not suffice.

Can you point me to an FAR that says this?

Thanks,
Bruce Bockius

"dave" wrote in message
...
What is
"He can check the
aircraft for the required anti-drug exterior data plate." ?

it is the exterior data plate normally near the tail required for DEA

gliders are exempt

BT

I haven't heard about this. How does a data plate help the DEA?


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:BFIdc.478$Va4.278@fed1read01...
"dave" wrote in message
...
What is
"He can check the
aircraft for the required anti-drug exterior data plate." ?

it is the exterior data plate normally near the tail required for DEA

gliders are exempt

BT

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

I haven't heard about this. How does a data plate help the DEA?

The argument goes that it makes it easy for them to check the ID of the plane without
having to enter the plane and it's more difficult to falsify than the painted
N-numbers.

And I have some ocean-front property in Valdosta I'd like to show you, too.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Peter Gottlieb wrote:

I haven't heard about this. How does a data plate help the DEA?

The argument goes that it makes it easy for them to check the ID of the
plane without
having to enter the plane and it's more difficult to falsify than the
painted
N-numbers.


Aha. Pretty much as I figured.

The argument goes that it makes it easy for them to check the ID of the plane without
having to enter the plane and it's more difficult to falsify than the painted
N-numbers.

Oh! You mean the *data plate*?

But haven't they been on airplanes all along?

That plate on Zero Six Hotel, starboard side, near the tail--that's
discouraging me from running drugs to Wiscassett, Maine?

Well, I'll be swanned.

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Cub Driver wrote:

The argument goes that it makes it easy for them to check the ID of the plane without
having to enter the plane and it's more difficult to falsify than the painted
N-numbers.


Oh! You mean the *data plate*?

But haven't they been on airplanes all along?

Most, not all planes. Now they all have to be in the same spot. Pilots
side on the fuselage just in fron of the tail.