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Old April 18th 04, 03:21 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other
people's assets?


By creating wealth.


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Old April 18th 04, 04:57 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other
people's assets?


By creating wealth.



Ex Nihilo?
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Old April 18th 04, 02:16 PM
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Judah wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other
people's assets?


By creating wealth.

Ex Nihilo?


Perhaps you mean 'Creatio Ex Nihilo', create something out
of nothing.

If so, you claim that the value of labor = zero.

Marx would not approve.
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Old April 18th 04, 04:32 PM
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1) I don't seek approval from Marx. Heck! I don't even know the guy!

2) I made no claim whatsoever. My question was, how does one create
wealth out of nothing? Labor is not nothing, but I would contend that it
also does not create wealth. If it did, the manual laborers would be the
wealthy ones.

Most significant assets in the US exist in the form of Real Property
and/or Market Holdings. Since these are relatively fixed assets, the only
way to create wealth in either of these two endeavors is to redistribute
these assets in such a way as you are left with the most money at the
end.

Doug Carter wrote in
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Judah wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other people's
assets?

By creating wealth.

Ex Nihilo?


Perhaps you mean 'Creatio Ex Nihilo', create something out
of nothing.

If so, you claim that the value of labor = zero.

Marx would not approve.


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Old April 18th 04, 09:27 PM
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Doug Carter wrote:
Judah wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other
people's assets?


By creating wealth.

Ex Nihilo?



Perhaps you mean 'Creatio Ex Nihilo', create something out of nothing.

If so, you claim that the value of labor = zero.

Marx would not approve.


What did Groucho know about economics anyway? :-)

Matt

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Old April 18th 04, 12:54 PM
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Judah wrote:
How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other people's assets?


By making the entire pie larger.


Matt

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Old April 18th 04, 04:11 PM
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"Judah" wrote in message
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other people's assets?


Here we have the crux of what passes for liberalism these days. Idiot.

The assumption is that if you possess something, it must have been stolen
from somebody else. It is astounding that liberals, who claim to be
intellectuals, cannot see the blatant fallacy behind this argument.


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Old April 18th 04, 04:44 PM
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Actually, CJ, you should go back and follow the thread a little more
closely, and maybe read it without your blinders on.

The conservative view presented was that liberals want to take other
people's assets and redistribute them. I responded that conservatives
want to take other people's assets and keep them for themselves. The
response was that conservatives don't want other people's assets, and I
disagree with that completely.

You read my statement as a bitter one of resentment. Actually, I it was a
simple plain fact of the Free Market economy.

I made no mention of stealing. The Free Market in the US requires that
people redistribute assets in order to get rich. Most people don't get
rich based solely on their hourly rate. They get rich by buying low and
selling high - real estate, stocks, antiques on a road show, or whatever.

In the free market economy, someone wins, and someone loses.



"C J Campbell" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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How, exactly, do the rich get richer without taking other people's
assets?


Here we have the crux of what passes for liberalism these days. Idiot.

The assumption is that if you possess something, it must have been
stolen from somebody else. It is astounding that liberals, who claim to
be intellectuals, cannot see the blatant fallacy behind this argument.



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Old April 18th 04, 06:46 PM
Doug Carter
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Judah wrote:
I made no mention of stealing. The Free Market in the US requires that
people redistribute assets in order to get rich. Most people don't get
rich based solely on their hourly rate. They get rich by buying low and
selling high - real estate, stocks, antiques on a road show, or whatever.

In the free market economy, someone wins, and someone loses.


You seem to be mired in the assumption that there is some
magical collection of assets that can only be
redistributed. This is patently false; it ignores the
reality that new and valuable assets are driven principaly
by invovation.

Take a recent very simple example: the asset value of the
computer industry world wide today is hundreds of billions
of dollars. These assets simply *did not exist* before
the invention of the computer, neither did the millions of
jobs in this sector.

Market speculation is one way to get rich, however even
here you may get confused. The speculators are the ones
who get rich or poor, not the companies that the stocks
represent.
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Old April 18th 04, 07:52 PM
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"Judah" wrote in message
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Actually, CJ, you should go back and follow the thread a little more
closely, and maybe read it without your blinders on.

The conservative view presented was that liberals want to take other
people's assets and redistribute them. I responded that conservatives
want to take other people's assets and keep them for themselves. The
response was that conservatives don't want other people's assets, and I

disagree with that completely.


Your disagreement does not make it a false statement.


 




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