Bush still a pilot?

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice, do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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No political leanings whatsoever. It was my opinion, until I read the
postings about the 172, that once he got out of the Reserves, his business
interests took precedence over continuing in aviation. Insofar as Kerry is
concerned, I was contrasting my (obviously mistaken) thinking about GWB's
pilot status with that of Kerry, nothing more. And I'm pretty sure that
Kerry could afford his own plane, although his wife could surely buy him
several.

Bob Gardner

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:3Qvic.25857$GR.3341237@attbi_s01...
There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their
military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got
a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice,
do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with
John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking"
President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some
point because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a
Cessna with him.

Didn't your mother teach you never to say always, never, or must?
I personally know of a couple of pilots who fly Cessna type aircraft
without the benefit of an FAA Airman Certificate. My father was one
of them back in the 1940s.

Bob Moore

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:19 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

The Boston Herald has listed the Bush-Kerry vehicles, but doesn't
mention a Cessna twin. Rather: a Gulfstream II. To quote:

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including
the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover
Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg
highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15
mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001
Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600
Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M
(26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the
latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one
his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a
Gulfstream II private jet (hers).


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:19 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

The Boston Herald has listed the Bush-Kerry vehicles, but doesn't
mention a Cessna twin. Rather: a Gulfstream II. To quote:

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including
the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover
Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg
highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15
mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001
Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600
Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M
(26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the
latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one
his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a
Gulfstream II private jet (hers).


Isn't a G II an OLD turboprop?
H.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

"H. Adam Stevens" wrote in message
...
Isn't a G II an OLD turboprop?
H.

No Aitch, the G I was the turbo prop. The G II is he
http://www.aircraftencyclopedia.com/g2.htm

allen

There was an article in the Washington Post, apparently written from a
right-seat perspective, describing Kerry's actions as he took off in a
Cessna twin. Can't say when the referenced flight took place, however,
because the article didn't say.

Bob Gardner

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:19 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

The Boston Herald has listed the Bush-Kerry vehicles, but doesn't
mention a Cessna twin. Rather: a Gulfstream II. To quote:

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including
the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover
Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg
highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15
mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001
Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600
Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M
(26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the
latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one
his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a
Gulfstream II private jet (hers).


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org

Goodness gracious. What put the bee in your bonnet? If you drink
coffee, you might thing about drinking less; if you're married, you
might see if you can get your wife to put out more often; if you're a
couch potato, try getting some excercise; if none of the above apply,
there's aways Prozac or a prefrontal lobotomy. Anything to calm those
jangled nerves.


"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message . ..
"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:3Qvic.25857$GR.3341237@attbi_s01...
There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice, do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me
than a frontal lobotomy.
"airbourne56" wrote in message
om...
if none of the above apply,
there's aways Prozac or a prefrontal lobotomy. Anything to calm those
jangled nerves.

And this was, as always, a fair and balanced opinion.

mike regish

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...


What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice,
do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with
John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking"
President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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