Bush still a pilot?

"Jim Baker" wrote in message
...
I'm the guy, I guess, that Dan Ford was talking about. I posted a couple
of
days ago that the only skill I saw atrophy with age was..interest. I went
from flying B-1Bs to C-172s. I just couldn't get into it. I was spending
$100+ to cruise at 20kts+ slower than B-1 touchdown speed. It's not an
arrogance thing...it just isn't exciting enough for me to spend the money
anymore.


Any chance you flew those out of RCA in the mid 90's?

Jay

Jay

Flying is flying. After thousands of hours the edges don't hold a lot
of excitement.

Except for the different engine noise (prop vs jet) it's hard to tell
going balls to the wall (and super sonic) in a J-3 and a supersonic
fighter. When you go through the sound barrier it's just like sitting
in your easy chair at home. Those who have flown the Concorde don't
know they are super sonic until they read the Mach meter on bulkhead
behind the cockpit.

I enjoy flying anything. Flying precision in any type of aircraft is a
challengingly operation and gives me enjoyment.

Nuff said???????

Big John

Any time, any place, any Wx, any type A/C, etc. within aircrafts
limits.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:12:09 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

Yeah, I've often wondered how weird it must feel for an ex-military pilot to
fly a Spam can. Sorta like transitioning from a Kawasaki racing bike back
to a scooter, I would think?

How 'bout it, Big John (or other military folks)? Is flying a lowly
Skyhawk worth bothering with, after flying at Mach 2 with your hair on fire?

Roger that. The one time I got to ride Concorde, my thought as we went
supersonic was, "OK, Yeager, what was the big deal about that?"

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney to love America

"Big John" wrote in message
...

When you go through the sound barrier it's just like sitting
in your easy chair at home. Those who have flown the Concorde don't
know they are super sonic until they read the Mach meter on bulkhead
behind the cockpit.

In a previous article, said:
One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

I took a cab to the airport in Ottawa once with a cab driver who claimed
to be a former F-14 pilot from the Shah of Iran's air force. Those of you
with long memories will remember when Iran had the third largest air force
in the world, and the cream of it was a huge fleet of F-14 Tomcats.
Anyway, I asked him why he isn't flying an airliner instead of a taxi, and
he scoffed that flying a commuter would be like driving a bus. I kept my
thoughts about the relative merits of bus drivers and taxi drivers to
myself.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Tech Services - We Aim To Please, We Shoot To Kill"
-- H. Wade Minter, ASR

Someone I work with is a marketing analyst. Previously she
was a left-seat in an A320. In another country, but when
she came to the US she got to the point of being checked
out by United before deciding on a career change.

It takes all kinds.

John

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, said:
One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

I took a cab to the airport in Ottawa once with a cab driver who claimed
to be a former F-14 pilot from the Shah of Iran's air force. Those of you
with long memories will remember when Iran had the third largest air force
in the world, and the cream of it was a huge fleet of F-14 Tomcats.
Anyway, I asked him why he isn't flying an airliner instead of a taxi, and
he scoffed that flying a commuter would be like driving a bus. I kept my
thoughts about the relative merits of bus drivers and taxi drivers to
myself.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Tech Services - We Aim To Please, We Shoot To Kill"
-- H. Wade Minter, ASR

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:3Qvic.25857$GR.3341237@attbi_s01...
There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice, do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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No political leanings whatsoever. It was my opinion, until I read the
postings about the 172, that once he got out of the Reserves, his business
interests took precedence over continuing in aviation. Insofar as Kerry is
concerned, I was contrasting my (obviously mistaken) thinking about GWB's
pilot status with that of Kerry, nothing more. And I'm pretty sure that
Kerry could afford his own plane, although his wife could surely buy him
several.

Bob Gardner

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:3Qvic.25857$GR.3341237@attbi_s01...
There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their
military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got
a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice,
do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with
John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking"
President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some
point because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a
Cessna with him.

Didn't your mother teach you never to say always, never, or must?
I personally know of a couple of pilots who fly Cessna type aircraft
without the benefit of an FAA Airman Certificate. My father was one
of them back in the 1940s.

Bob Moore

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:19 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

The Boston Herald has listed the Bush-Kerry vehicles, but doesn't
mention a Cessna twin. Rather: a Gulfstream II. To quote:

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including
the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover
Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg
highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15
mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001
Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600
Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M
(26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the
latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one
his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a
Gulfstream II private jet (hers).


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:41:19 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

The Boston Herald has listed the Bush-Kerry vehicles, but doesn't
mention a Cessna twin. Rather: a Gulfstream II. To quote:

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including
the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover
Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg
highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15
mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001
Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600
Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M
(26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the
latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one
his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a
Gulfstream II private jet (hers).


Isn't a G II an OLD turboprop?
H.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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