This is what the D-Day was for...

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
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Must be tough to be ashamed of your heritage.

Do tell.

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:

Not really. have to go back over 400 years to find the french trace.

Must be tough to be ashamed of your heritage.

Even worse to not even have one, eh Timbers?

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
news:310520042112065225%
Must be tough to be ashamed of your heritage.

I wouldn't know.

The French "invented" air to air kills with the shoot down of a german on
the 8. october 1914
The french pilot was Sergant Frantz.


So... No it it would not be the first kill.... Second perhaps ? :-)


"John Gaquin" skrev i melding
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"HECTOP" wrote in message news:KrLuc.23209

France pledges to shoot down private pilots in D-Day air space

I'll have to do some checking. Would this be the first time the French
have managed to shoot down any plane, anywhere? :-)

"Gunnar" wrote in message
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The French "invented" air to air kills with the shoot down of a german on
the 8. october 1914. The french pilot was Sergant Frantz.

An accident no doubt.

"HECTOP" wrote in message
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I know this is gonna start a riot, but...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-dday31.html

France pledges to shoot down private pilots in D-Day air space
May 31, 2004

Well, they will have to do a lot better than the Allies did on the original
D-Day. :-)

Two German planes managed to strafe the whole beach and get away unscathed,
despite what was probably the most massive air cover in the history of
warfare.

Will the French surrender to the GA pilot before or after they botch their
attempt at launching a missile?

"HECTOP" wrote in message
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I know this is gonna start a riot, but...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-dday31.html

France pledges to shoot down private pilots in D-Day air space
May 31, 2004
BY BEN FENTON [Ad]

ARROMANCHES, France -- Private pilots who stray into Normandy air space
during the 60th anniversary of D-Day next weekend will be shot down,
French
officials said Sunday.
With at least 16 heads of state, including President Bush, attending the
ceremonies, organizers are guarding particularly against an al-Qaida
attack
from the air.
It is one of the biggest security exercises in Europe since the war.
An enormous network of radar equipment has been stretched between
Deauville
and Cherbourg, with early warning aircraft already in the skies.
The aircraft will be joined this week by small, remote-controlled drones.
Advanced Crotale anti-aircraft missiles have been primed, and two
squadrons
of Mirage 2000 fighters are stationed nearby.
The French ministry of defense has spared no expense. It has established a
temporary air base at Carpiquet, outside the city of Caen, as the hub of
its
defenses.
There, more than 800 soldiers will maintain round-the-clock surveillance,
backed by more than 50 military helicopters.
A spokesman for the 120-acre camp said: "The dangers are multiple, from a
hijacked airliner being crashed into the stands at the main international
ceremony at Arromanches to a tiny bomb being detonated remotely.
"But we are stretching an impenetrable fabric of protection above
Normandy."
At sea, fishermen and pleasure craft have been banned from the Seine Bay
that stretches along the beaches code named Utah, Omaha, Gold, Juno and
Sword on June 6, 1944.
A French carrier, Charles de Gaulle, and an American carrier, George
Washington, will be patrolling the bay, which will also be swept for
mines.
On land, more than 9,000 French troops are arriving this week,
supplementing
the 6,300 gendarmes and 2,300 police officers already on duty.
Arromanches' 534 residents have been told that they must either stay
indoors
throughout next Sunday or leave the area.

Daily Telegraph


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It's sad that we need more military power to protect our historic sites from
the terrorists than what it took to secure them in the first place...

"HECTOP" wrote in
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I know this is gonna start a riot, but...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-dday31.html

France pledges to shoot down private pilots in D-Day air space

Well, well, well . . .
Leave it to the newspapers and television networks to inform us of such
things.

The truth is, to date, there is not a single NOTAM, AIP SUP (as they call them
here) or TFR posted for that day. I am holding my breath, but as the day
approaches there has not been a single GA restriction posted through official
channels related to those events. There is one in effect close to there
related to the Le Mans automobile race, and another for a military exercise,
but as a full subscriber to all the publications, as far as I am concerned I
can hire a 172 and fly right over them.

Not that I would think of doing so, but there are official channels in
existance to notify pilots of temporary restrictions. As long as these have
not been used, we can only assume either the newspaper report cited here is in
error, or the civil aviation authority has been seriously remiss in their duty
to inform pilots. You cannot expect pilots to glean vital flight information
just by reading the evening paper.

G Faris

CORRECTION :
After posting the previous message, I went back to double-check my facts.
I should have done it before, because I was wrong. There is a very specific
NOTAM, published 6 May that details several Temporary Restricted Areas and a
few Temporary Prohibited Areas. There are rules for avoidance, and even rules
for interception if one is found in the wrong place at the wrong time. It
doesn't say they'll shoot you down, of course, but it does strongly imply that
it's in your interest to comply meticulously. They also say infractions could
be fined 15000 to 45000 Euros and up to six months in jail, plus impounding
the aircraft.

I have mentioned to several pilots over the past days that I was surprised not
to see any NOTAMS for those days - They must have been shaking their heads
thinking "What's this poor fool on about . . ."

Anyway, my apologies for the incorrect information.
For any who want to see the NOTAM, it's here :
http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv....2004_45_FR.pdf

G Faris