Pilot's Political Orientation

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

True life without parole still allows for escape and another offense.

There also seems to be a spate of new trials 20-30 years down the road in some areas
of the country.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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Your misconceptions are astounding.

That being said, the death penalty doesn't seem to be a very effective
deterrent anyhow.


It's deterred everyone that's received it.


So is life without parole.

So I get to pay to keep people in food, shelter and entertainment for doing
bad things? No thanks.

It warmed my heart when I moved to the south a few years back to see convict
road crews doing work. Now, maybe it costs us more to pay the guards to
watch them and for insurance, etc, but at least we get something out of it.

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
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So I get to pay to keep people in food, shelter and entertainment for
doing
bad things? No thanks.


Hey, I don't like it either, but that's a separate issue from the deterrent
effect of different types of punishment.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Richard Hertz"
wrote:

It warmed my heart when I moved to the south a few years back to see convict
road crews doing work. Now, maybe it costs us more to pay the guards to
watch them and for insurance, etc, but at least we get something out of it.

My two ¢:

Convict laborers displace regular workers. A far better solution
would be to teach them the meaning of the word 'restitution.' That
way they truly pay for their crimes, and their victims are
compensated.

But the prison systems have become cash cows for private enterprise.
Prison operating contractors have no financial incentive to
rehabilitate inmates. Quite the opposite, there is incentive to
create more inmates, so that more prisons will be built and
Wackinhut's business will increase. Corporate self interest is at the
root of many of society's ills.

Convict laborers displace regular workers.

Regular workers displace other regular workers.


A far better solution
would be to teach them the meaning of the word 'restitution.' That
way they truly pay for their crimes, and their victims are
compensated.


Assuming you mean with money, where do they get this money? If they work for
it, that displaces other workers. If they don't work for it, this uses up
paper and green ink.

Jose

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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:46:36 GMT, "Richard Hertz"
wrote:

It warmed my heart when I moved to the south a few years back to see
convict
road crews doing work. Now, maybe it costs us more to pay the guards to
watch them and for insurance, etc, but at least we get something out of
it.

My two ¢:

Convict laborers displace regular workers. A far better solution
would be to teach them the meaning of the word 'restitution.' That
way they truly pay for their crimes, and their victims are
compensated.

But the prison systems have become cash cows for private enterprise.
Prison operating contractors have no financial incentive to
rehabilitate inmates. Quite the opposite, there is incentive to
create more inmates, so that more prisons will be built and
Wackinhut's business will increase. Corporate self interest is at the
root of many of society's ills.


Um, no. Self-interest of humans is the root of many ills. Particularly
from criminals. if corporations behave in illegal manners, they are
punished, so too should criminals be punished. Blaming "corporations" for
the failing of people is a cop out.

Richard Hertz wrote:

So I get to pay to keep people in food, shelter and entertainment for doing
bad things? No thanks.

I just look at it as a bribe I pay the State to keep these people away from me.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Doug" wrote in message
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while it was a joke it was a strong statement to those that want to
commit
crimes in The Great State of Texas... they will deal with you!!..
instead
they goto California or NY where liberals will hug you for your
murderous
and vilolent ways, Lord knows it couldn't be your fault....Public
hangings
will go a long way! ;-)


Your misconceptions are astounding.

That being said, the death penalty doesn't seem to be a very effective
deterrent anyhow.

Really?

Getting shot by potential victims is a deterrent (according to prison
interviews), but then the DP is so inconsistently invoked...

Two factors in any punishment are "consistency" and "certainty". Both those
are missing for the DP.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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That being said, the death penalty doesn't seem to be a very effective
deterrent anyhow.

It certainly cuts down on the number of re-offenders...

Paul

"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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That being said, the death penalty doesn't seem to be a very effective
deterrent anyhow.

It certainly cuts down on the number of re-offenders...


Like suicide bombers in Israel, there seems to be no shortage of new
offenders.