The next attack (On Topic)

Hmm, last I checked the guys who watched the last choppers leave were
running the place.

Ho Chi Minn was actually a nationalist who said that his first choice would
have been to become a client of the US to help his country become a bulwark
against Chinese expansion. He looked too much like a communist to us so we
spurned him and chased him into taking the next best offer.

Sure, we may have checked Russia on several fronts, including Afghanistan,
but we did it in a way that left us with the current mess and the very real
danger of losing the countries you mention to an even more difficult and
intractable enemy.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't fight but that we should recognize that you
can't build a house with just a hammer. We need to fight and work in a way
that achieves what we want.

You are absolutely right about one thing though. If we don't get control of
our media we won't have the national will to keep on making the mistakes we
are making now. Don't worry, I'm sure Ashcroft is working on that and it
will get taken care of after the election (unless the tough guys lose).

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Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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Hmm, last I checked the guys who watched the last choppers leave were
running the place.

Ho Chi Minn was actually a nationalist who said that his first choice
would
have been to become a client of the US to help his country become a
bulwark
against Chinese expansion. He looked too much like a communist to us so
we
spurned him and chased him into taking the next best offer.


I would like to see a reliable reference for what Ho Chi Minn supposedly
said. A great deal of what Ho Chi Minn 'said' is heavily doctored. Anyway,
the primary objective was to keep communism from spreading to the rest of
the area and we accomplished that.

Sure, we may have checked Russia on several fronts, including Afghanistan,
but we did it in a way that left us with the current mess and the very
real
danger of losing the countries you mention to an even more difficult and
intractable enemy.

It is time we recognized that we have been fighting this enemy ever since
the fall of Iran. The war did not start with 9/11. It began with the
takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran. You could even say it began with the
Olympic games in Munich. It is a fight between civilization and despotism.
It always has been.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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You could even say it began with the
Olympic games in Munich.



Then why not 1936, or 1931 even??

http://i-cias.com/e.o/israel_5.htm

Roger Long wrote:

Both during the republican convention and the last half of October,
I'm going to try and fly so that the ATC call to land immediately
will leave me and my plane at a convenient airport.

That, sir, is a form of giving in to terrorism, albeit not to the
extent that your Department of Fatherland Security and our Home
Office seem intent on depriving us of so much of the freedom for
which our parents fought and died on the beaches of Normandy and
elsewhere some sixty years ago.

Roger Long wrote:

If Al Qaeda thinks it can influence the
outcome of the election, I'm sure they will strive to keep Bush in office.

Would not a "victory" (ie. getting the US to pull out of Iraq, or anything
else "forced" upon us) do wonders for Al Qaeda and its recruiting?

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Roger Long wrote:

If Al Qaeda thinks it can influence the
outcome of the election, I'm sure they will strive to keep Bush in
office.

Would not a "victory" (ie. getting the US to pull out of Iraq, or anything
else "forced" upon us) do wonders for Al Qaeda and its recruiting?



I doubt it. Recruiting peaks when there is a "just cause". If they had a
perceived "victory", there would probably be a letdown, and the
not-so-hard-core would drop off and go back to their life of petty crime.

Also, the USA did them a huge favor by removing one of their non-supporters
and alienating a population... so that now they have allies, land to operate
within, and "foreign" supporters, where they had little or none before.

Once the US pulled out, those temporary allies might be just as prone to
kick the Al Qaeda out as well. Unless the US pull-out included some sort of
threat where the Iraqis felt they needed such alliances for protection.

That having been said, if the US pulls out of Iraq, there are still a lot of
perceived "causes" that would support recruitment, but that would be one
less.

Once the US pulled out, those temporary allies might be just as prone to
kick the Al Qaeda out as well. Unless the US pull-out included some sort
of
threat where the Iraqis felt they needed such alliances for protection.

That having been said, if the US pulls out of Iraq, there are still a lot
of
perceived "causes" that would support recruitment, but that would be one
less.

Wow -- that's the most illogical conclusion I think I've ever read in these
groups.

Do you honestly think if we "pulled out" of Iraq now it would help fight
terrorism?
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Once the US pulled out, those temporary allies might be just as prone to
kick the Al Qaeda out as well. Unless the US pull-out included some
sort
of
threat where the Iraqis felt they needed such alliances for protection.

That having been said, if the US pulls out of Iraq, there are still a
lot
of
perceived "causes" that would support recruitment, but that would be one
less.

Wow -- that's the most illogical conclusion I think I've ever read in
these
groups.

Do you honestly think if we "pulled out" of Iraq now it would help fight
terrorism?


That may be too late.

But what I really said was that it would probably reduce the number of
terrorists recruited.

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:xfCHc.41517$JR4.8454@attbi_s54...
Once the US pulled out, those temporary allies might be just as prone
to
kick the Al Qaeda out as well. Unless the US pull-out included some
sort
of
threat where the Iraqis felt they needed such alliances for
protection.

That having been said, if the US pulls out of Iraq, there are still a
lot
of
perceived "causes" that would support recruitment, but that would be
one
less.

Wow -- that's the most illogical conclusion I think I've ever read in
these
groups.

Do you honestly think if we "pulled out" of Iraq now it would help fight
terrorism?


That may be too late.

But what I really said was that it would probably reduce the number of
terrorists recruited.

"Roger Long" wrote in message . ..

Unfortunatley, terrorist election tampering worked in Spain. They will
try it here. Unfortunatley, our news media will aid them.
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Because I fly, I envy no one.