Rep vs. Dem Differences

C J Campbell wrote:

"James Robinson" wrote in message
...
Wdtabor wrote:

The Nazi Party was the National SOCIALIST Party, fascsim is a left wing
philosophy, it never has had anything to do with the political right.
It is
only characterized as such by entertainers with no knowledge of history.

Someone doesn't know the definition of right and left.


Probably you.

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.

Left wing philosophies promote political change, and generally promote
greater freedom and well being of the common man.

Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.
They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the
imagination.

At least that is how the left thinks of it.

Nope. That's how the dictionary thinks of it.

"James Robinson" wrote in message
...
C J Campbell wrote:

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.

Left wing philosophies promote political change, and generally promote
greater freedom and well being of the common man.

Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.
They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the
imagination.

At least that is how the left thinks of it.

Nope. That's how the dictionary thinks of it.

If the dictionary says that Nazism, which promotes political change and
which believes it promotes greater freedom and the well being of the common
man is a right wing philosophy, then it contradicts itself.

C J Campbell wrote:

If the dictionary says that Nazism, which promotes political change
and which believes it promotes greater freedom and the well being
of the common man is a right wing philosophy, then it contradicts
itself.

That's your definition of Nazism, not what it acutally was.

http://encyclopedia.fablis.com/index...-wing_politics

"Nazis opposed individualism and laissez faire capitalism, vigorous
opposition to international socialism was a founding and continuing
tenet of Nazi fascism."

Try these sources for why others label Fascism as right wing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing

"... fascism is almost universally considered to be a part of "the
right"."
"Like other forms, it arose in antithesis to the agenda of leftists,
Communists, and Socialists."

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

"Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the
nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other
loyalties."

"Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it
borrows concepts and practices from all three."

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Right-wing

"... fascism and communism share much in common, and this is to be
expected since they are the most extreme forms of conservatism, fascism
being of the right, and communism being of the left."

"James Robinson" wrote in message
...
C J Campbell wrote:

If the dictionary says that Nazism, which promotes political change
and which believes it promotes greater freedom and the well being
of the common man is a right wing philosophy, then it contradicts
itself.

That's your definition of Nazism, not what it acutally was.

http://encyclopedia.fablis.com/index...-wing_politics

"Nazis opposed individualism and laissez faire capitalism, vigorous
opposition to international socialism was a founding and continuing
tenet of Nazi fascism."

Try these sources for why others label Fascism as right wing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing

"... fascism is almost universally considered to be a part of "the
right"."
"Like other forms, it arose in antithesis to the agenda of leftists,
Communists, and Socialists."

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

"Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the
nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other
loyalties."

"Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it
borrows concepts and practices from all three."

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Right-wing

"... fascism and communism share much in common, and this is to be
expected since they are the most extreme forms of conservatism, fascism
being of the right, and communism being of the left."

Now you are contradicting yourself. Now you are saying that communism is
left wing conservatism, where before you defined the left as being liberal.

I don't give a hoot about your definitions. They are self contradictory and
arbitrary, as many have pointed out before me.

"James Robinson" wrote in message
...
C J Campbell wrote:

If the dictionary says that Nazism, which promotes political change
and which believes it promotes greater freedom and the well being
of the common man is a right wing philosophy, then it contradicts
itself.

That's your definition of Nazism, not what it acutally was.

http://encyclopedia.fablis.com/index...-wing_politics

"Nazis opposed individualism and laissez faire capitalism, vigorous
opposition to international socialism was a founding and continuing
tenet of Nazi fascism."

Try these sources for why others label Fascism as right wing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing

"... fascism is almost universally considered to be a part of "the
right"."
"Like other forms, it arose in antithesis to the agenda of leftists,
Communists, and Socialists."

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

"Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the
nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other
loyalties."

"Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it
borrows concepts and practices from all three."

Bad definition since Fascism, under both Mussolini and Hitler, were strongly
influenced by Marx.

"Thus state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the

ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first

premise for every truly human culture..." Adolf Hitler, _Mein_Kampf_


I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit.

The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into

practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun.... I had

only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in

because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of

democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could

have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.

--Hitler to Rauschning



http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Right-wing

"... fascism and communism share much in common, and this is to be
expected since they are the most extreme forms of conservatism, fascism
being of the right, and communism being of the left."

Actually, communism is considered "progressive", the antithesis of
"conservatives".

C J Campbell wrote:

If the dictionary says that Nazism, which promotes political change
and which believes it promotes greater freedom and the well being
of the common man is a right wing philosophy, then it contradicts
itself.

Nazism was the antithesis of what you describe above.

It was very authoritarian, opposed to individual freedom in deference to
the power of the state, and believe in forced suppression of any
opposition. While it might have seemed that they promoted political
change, they change they wanted was a return to more traditional morals,
which was a conservative philosophy.

In article , James Robinson
writes:


Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.
They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the
imagination.

At least that is how the left thinks of it.

Nope. That's how the dictionary thinks of it.



Fascism comes in a number of flavors, but the key elements a

An authoritarian power structure
A collectivist economy (either socialism or feudalism will do)
Expansionist foreign policy
A central ethnic, religious or nationalist identity

The first two elements require supremacy of the collective over the individual,
which is why fascist regimes rise from democracies but not from republics. The
the extent we stray from our Constitutional Republic toward a democracy, we
risk becoming a fascist state.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Wdtabor wrote:

Fascism comes in a number of flavors, but the key elements a

An authoritarian power structure

Agreed.

A collectivist economy (either socialism or feudalism will do)

Disagree. While Fascism morphed somewhat over time, it was intensely
against socialism from the beginning. That opposition was one of the
prime tenets of the philosophy. That said, the ideology was also
against a completely free economy, preferring government direction, but
also not for the benefit of the masses. The idea of government control
was more in line with their authoritarian bent than it was a statement
of left or right leaning in economic terms. Overall, using strictly an
economic measure, Fascism was neither left nor right, but somewhere
slightly right of center.

"James Robinson" wrote in message
...
Wdtabor wrote:

Fascism comes in a number of flavors, but the key elements a

An authoritarian power structure

Agreed.

A collectivist economy (either socialism or feudalism will do)

Disagree. While Fascism morphed somewhat over time, it was intensely
against socialism from the beginning. That opposition was one of the
prime tenets of the philosophy. That said, the ideology was also
against a completely free economy, preferring government direction, but
also not for the benefit of the masses. The idea of government control
was more in line with their authoritarian bent than it was a statement
of left or right leaning in economic terms.

In other words, a collectivist economy, as Wdtabor stated.

Overall, using strictly an
economic measure, Fascism was neither left nor right, but somewhere
slightly right of center.

Irrelevant.

In article , James Robinson
writes:


A collectivist economy (either socialism or feudalism will do)

Disagree. While Fascism morphed somewhat over time, it was intensely
against socialism from the beginning. That opposition was one of the
prime tenets of the philosophy. That said, the ideology was also
against a completely free economy, preferring government direction, but
also not for the benefit of the masses. The idea of government control
was more in line with their authoritarian bent than it was a statement
of left or right leaning in economic terms. Overall, using strictly an
economic measure, Fascism was neither left nor right, but somewhere
slightly right of center.


You might want to read Hayek's ROAD TO SERFDOM as it deals specifically with
the rise of Nazi fascism from socialist roots. And he was there to see it
happen.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG