Rep vs. Dem Differences

"James Robinson" wrote in message
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Wdtabor wrote:

The Nazi Party was the National SOCIALIST Party, fascsim is a left wing
philosophy, it never has had anything to do with the political right.
It is
only characterized as such by entertainers with no knowledge of history.

Someone doesn't know the definition of right and left.

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.

Left wing philosophies promote political change, and generally promote
greater freedom and well being of the common man.

Odd, isn't it, that the left wing countires are the most brutal and
repressive in recent history?

Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.
They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the
imagination.

And the "liberal" ones, Soviet, China, Korea, Cuba, have slaughtered more
than Germany could ever hope to.

Spin that!!

"Tom S." wrote in message
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"James Robinson" wrote in message
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Wdtabor wrote:


And the "liberal" ones, Soviet, China, Korea, Cuba, have slaughtered more
than Germany could ever hope to.

Spin that!!


No need to. You already have done it.

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
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"Tom S." wrote in message
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"James Robinson" wrote in message
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Wdtabor wrote:


And the "liberal" ones, Soviet, China, Korea, Cuba, have slaughtered
more
than Germany could ever hope to.

Spin that!!


No need to. You already have done it.


Care to elaborate on that?

"Tom S." wrote:

James Robinson wrote:

Wdtabor wrote:

The Nazi Party was the National SOCIALIST Party, fascsim is a
left wing philosophy, it never has had anything to do with
the political right. It is only characterized as such by
entertainers with no knowledge of history.

Someone doesn't know the definition of right and left.

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.

Left wing philosophies promote political change, and generally promote
greater freedom and well being of the common man.

Odd, isn't it, that the left wing countires are the most brutal and
repressive in recent history?

Your basic premise is wrong.

You are mixing up authoritarianism with economic and social policies.
You certainly can't label countries like Sweden, Holland, or Canada,
which have left-leaning political policies, as brutal or oppressive. You
can't label Gandhi or Nelson Mandela as brutal, yet they had fairly
leftist views. As a contrary example, one can list many South American
countries, like Augusto Pinochet's regime, as brutal and oppressive, yet
they have had very rightist views on economics and social policies.
Being left or right is not a direct indication of brutality, but being
authoritarian or libertarian is.

Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.
They cannot be characterized as being "liberal" by any stretch of the
imagination.

And the "liberal" ones, Soviet, China, Korea, Cuba, have slaughtered more
than Germany could ever hope to.

Spin that!!

Well, as a result of the war, the Nazis ended up killing something like
42 million people in the European theater. It's pretty hard to beat
that.

James Robinson wrote:

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.

Simple labels just fail too quickly. A political conservative in the US
would be a strong advocate of church/state separation. A social
conservative would want his/her own religious morals encoded into law.

It's all a matter of which values you consider "traditional".

- Andrew

"James Robinson" wrote in message
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Wdtabor wrote:

Someone doesn't know the definition of right and left.

Right wing philosophies tend to be conservative, want to retain
traditional values, and often advocate the establishment of an
authoritarian political order.


Left wing philosophies promote political change, and generally promote
greater freedom and well being of the common man.

Fascism, and by extension Nazism, are clearly right wing philosophies.

How so?

All right, since you clearly do not see the problem, George Bush is often
said to be both right wing and conservative. Using the definitions above and
George Bush's positions on issues, justify that belief.

Similarly, John Kerry is often said to be both left wing and liberal. Using
the definitions above and Kerry's positions on issues (even those where he
switches sides continually, if you want), justify that belief.

For example, Al Gore is often said to be a left wing liberal. Taking his
stated positions on the environment from his book "Earth in the Balance," we
see that Gore advocates abolishing the internal combustion engine, reverting
to an agrarian (albeit high tech agrarian) economy, and a political system
where all local decisions are made by credentialed environmentalists who
will tell you what job you will have, what level of education you will have,
what clothes you will wear, how you will decorate your house, whether you
may receive medication for your illnesses, where you may defecate, whether
you may have children and what sex they should be, etc. Think the Shire with
computers and ruled over by Environmental manor lords who free the happy
agrarian peasants from making any decisions. In order to achieve this, Gore
acknowledges that 80% of the world's population will have to die from
starvation, disease, warfare, and exposure, but he says it will be even
worse if we continue going the way we are now. Given your definitions above,
I would say that Gore represents extreme right wing conservatism. He feels
that people are essentially both the property and the wards of aristocratic
overlords and opposes most technological advances made since the early 18th
century.