Aviation crash videos on-line

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:gwn%c.19949$vy.3595@attbi_s52...
"Cool Videos" is just the right term to pick for depicting people
dying in airplane crashes.....why it's JUST the thing for a guy who's
everyone's equal in the 'ethics" department!!

This issue has already been addressed in other posts in both threads.
You might consider checking them out before shooting off your
electronic mouth.

However, for your sake I'll reiterate the point: The "Cool Videos"
page name pre-dates most of the videos. When I started the page, it
WAS just cool videos, with aerobatics, supersonic passes, and landings
in Iowa City depicted.

Over time, the page has grown to include accidents, miscalculations,
and mechanical failures, as well as video of the 9/11 attacks on the
World Trade Center.

As I stated earlier, the point (already made by an earlier poster) is
well taken, and I will be changing the name of the page to something
more appropriate when I get a minute.

Well, I'll give you this much Honek. I missed your "cool" sign for some
reason the first time I checked out your site and posted back on your
"request" that I join you in "changing" things I've already been
changing for the last fifty years; not realizing that sign was there. My
mistake!
I don't give a rat's ass how many posts have addressed this issue. One
fact remains for me when dealing with you on this, and that is the
simple fact that of all the titles you could have used for a site
showing people dying in airplanes you actively thought about it and
CHOSE the phrase "COOL".
Then, knowing you had this heading on your site on top of these people
dying in crashes, you had the audacity to engage someone who has spent
a lifetime in flight safety and has been published all over the world on
the subject who's dealing with another moron with a "crashes that are
"cool" to watch site, and state that you have ethical equivalence;
all the time knowing your site is geared to steering people toward you
pushing a ****ing hotel for profit.
Get lost you GD creep and if you still believe that picking the heading
"COOL" for that ****ing site was a good idea, you just leave it there
while I steer every GD contact I have in the aviation world over there
to see it with my comments added for flavor!

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

As I stated earlier, the point (already made by an earlier poster) is
well
taken, and I will be changing the name of the page to something more
appropriate when I get a minute.

Hey asshole; you forgot and left the word "enjoy" on the site. You might
consider getting rid of that as well. "Enjoying" people dying is just as
bad as viewing it as "cool"...to normal people anyway!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Jay Honeck wrote:

I will be changing the name of the page to something more
appropriate when I get a minute.

Jay with all due respect it's not the name.

You can call it anything you want.

I know you and I don't see eye to eye - But in my opinion you
have sunk to a new low for which you should be ashamed of.

Your in this newsgroup every day as an INNKEEPER, who is a pilot,
and you are here daily to actively promoting your business. That's
why you always have your business addy as part of your SIG file.

When I visit your website and click on the COOL STUFF link the heading
of the page says this.

The Alexis Park Inn & Suites is far more than a hotel!**
In many ways we are more like an aviator's dream come true,
with historical memorabilia, photos, and collectibles literally EVERYWHERE.**
Over time we have become nearly equal parts museum and hotel! **
*
Click the links below to see more information about the inn, as well as to
view some really cool aviation stuff...

Not everyone who visits your website is into aviation Jay.

I gotta tell you that posting a bunch of pictures of airplanes sent to
you by aviation enthusiasts is one thing and in the overall scheme of
things will offend nobody.

Posting videos of crashes where people are being killed at that instant
is quite something else.

I would think that the American families of those innocent passengers
on that fatefull flight of the B-52 that cartwheeled into the ground
because of the stupidity and arrogance of the pilot, may be getting
just a little tired of running into that piece of video when they
happen to be surfing the web looking for something totally unrelated,
like a room to rent in IOWA City ......

Don't you.....???????????

In my opinion there is absolutely no difference between you as an
INNKEEPER promoting your business here with death videos and that
guy promoting the aircrash video site over in Europe, who has been
spamming his message about educational videos into a dozen
newsgroups these past few weeks.

Please tell the group..... your peers and friends, as well as the rest
of us from around the world, just why you feel it is necessary to show
a laser guided bomb killing a bunch of people on the ground, some of
whom might be just absoluty innocent bystanders, and just how that
promotes your business which is renting rooms to the general public.

When someone visits your website looking for general information as to
what sort of services you provide, is the below quoted message really
the message that you want any potential customers to get.

This incredible video, taken from an F-16 that is dropping a 500 lb.bomb
on a safe-house in Fallujah, Iraq, shows how flexible and precise laser-guided
munitions have become.* As the house is targeted, and the bomb in en route,
dozens of insurgents run outside, on their way to join a nearby battle against
U.S. Marines.** The pilot moves his laser-designator onto these new, moving
targets -- with impressive results.*

Get as mad as you want Jay...... and call me anything you want, but ask
yourself this one question.

Is business really that good, that as an INNKEEPER you can afford to
offend even one potential customer, who after viewing what your posting
on your website, will decide to take their business to another hotel.

Dudley Henriques wrote:

"Cool Videos" is just the right term to pick for depicting people dying
in airplane crashes.....why it's JUST the thing for a guy who's
everyone's equal in the 'ethics" department!!

************************************************** ***

TO THE GROUP..... Regarding Iwan Bogels"


Michael wrote:

As it is, you have a freak show and little else.

For the last number of days Iwan Bogels"
has crossposted the same or similar message into a variety of
groups like this inviting you to visit his site, and view his videos,
so that you may become educated, and learn from the mistakes
of others.

In the piloting newsgroups he has been trying to justify his freakshow
with a number of the regulars who surprising enough for the most part
didn't see all that much wrong with it.

For the groups information.

A few years ago when the reality TV programs started to hit the air,
there was someone named Jeremy Peevers ( I believe ) and others
who were posting to the aviation newsgroups looking for footage
similar to what Mr. Bogels is showing on his website.

In the rec.aviation.homebuilt, and rec.aviation.rotorcraft groups
(where I generally lurk) they were basically told to **** off by the
majority or regulars who were offended that someone was looking for
death and destruction videos so they could be shown of national TV for
a profit under the guise of entertainment.

I personally asked on numerous times (in the group) if Real TV would be
interested in clear, well lit, sharply focused, footage of a young girl
being decapitated by a helicopter rotor and how much they would be
willing to pay.

That usually shut them up.

They didn't want videos of people out actually enjoying a day at the
airport, with shots of airplanes taking off, flying and landing.

They wanted videos of total destruction, fireballs, cartwheels,
well ........ you get the picture.

The other day Iwan Bogels" crossposted
his message into this set of newsgroups looking for hits to his site.

alt.disasters.aviation, fr.rec.aviation, rec.aviation.military,
rec.aviation.piloting, rec.aviation.soaring

Yesterday he decided to crosspost his message into this set of
newsgroups.

alt.aviation.safety, aus.aviation, rec.aviation.homebuilt,
rec.aviation.ifr, rec.aviation.student

And today he is crosspoting to this set of newsgroups

rec.aviation.rotorcraft, rec.aviation.student, rec.models.rc.helicopter

God knows where he will be tomorrow.

I'm certainly not telling anybody what they should or shouldn't look at
on the Web but let's not delude ourselves into believing the pitch from
Mr. Bogels this his site is for educational purposes so that pilots,
etc., can learn from the mistakes of others by watching these videos.

As another poster has stated..... And I am quoting him below.

As it is, you have a freak show and little else.

Mr. Bogel...... In my humble opinion the above quoted statement is
hitting the nail squarly on the head and you can dress your site up any
way you want, and explain anyway you want.... but in my opinion you
are promoting a freak show site and nothing else.

Thank you for posting this. On these groups it probably won't change
anything, but thank you anyway.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:

"Cool Videos" is just the right term to pick for depicting people
dying
in airplane crashes.....why it's JUST the thing for a guy who's
everyone's equal in the 'ethics" department!!

************************************************** ***

TO THE GROUP..... Regarding Iwan Bogels"


Michael wrote:

As it is, you have a freak show and little else.

For the last number of days Iwan Bogels"
has crossposted the same or similar message into a variety of
groups like this inviting you to visit his site, and view his videos,
so that you may become educated, and learn from the mistakes
of others.

In the piloting newsgroups he has been trying to justify his freakshow
with a number of the regulars who surprising enough for the most part
didn't see all that much wrong with it.

For the groups information.

A few years ago when the reality TV programs started to hit the air,
there was someone named Jeremy Peevers ( I believe ) and others
who were posting to the aviation newsgroups looking for footage
similar to what Mr. Bogels is showing on his website.

In the rec.aviation.homebuilt, and rec.aviation.rotorcraft groups
(where I generally lurk) they were basically told to **** off by the
majority or regulars who were offended that someone was looking for
death and destruction videos so they could be shown of national TV for
a profit under the guise of entertainment.

I personally asked on numerous times (in the group) if Real TV would
be
interested in clear, well lit, sharply focused, footage of a young
girl
being decapitated by a helicopter rotor and how much they would be
willing to pay.

That usually shut them up.

They didn't want videos of people out actually enjoying a day at the
airport, with shots of airplanes taking off, flying and landing.

They wanted videos of total destruction, fireballs, cartwheels,
well ........ you get the picture.

The other day Iwan Bogels" crossposted
his message into this set of newsgroups looking for hits to his site.

alt.disasters.aviation, fr.rec.aviation, rec.aviation.military,
rec.aviation.piloting, rec.aviation.soaring

Yesterday he decided to crosspost his message into this set of
newsgroups.

alt.aviation.safety, aus.aviation, rec.aviation.homebuilt,
rec.aviation.ifr, rec.aviation.student

And today he is crosspoting to this set of newsgroups

rec.aviation.rotorcraft, rec.aviation.student,
rec.models.rc.helicopter

God knows where he will be tomorrow.

I'm certainly not telling anybody what they should or shouldn't look
at
on the Web but let's not delude ourselves into believing the pitch
from
Mr. Bogels this his site is for educational purposes so that pilots,
etc., can learn from the mistakes of others by watching these videos.

As another poster has stated..... And I am quoting him below.

As it is, you have a freak show and little else.

Mr. Bogel...... In my humble opinion the above quoted statement is
hitting the nail squarly on the head and you can dress your site up
any
way you want, and explain anyway you want.... but in my opinion you
are promoting a freak show site and nothing else.