Letter from Jess Meyers

Barnyard BOb - wrote in message

1. IF YOU EAT MORE THAN YOU BURN....

YOU WEAR IT.


2. Exercise is great for cardiovascular improvement,
but one can easily eat more than can be exercised away.


3. My doctor sez....

Put whatever you desire on your plate,
then slide half of it off and you will lose weight.



Barnyard BOb -

Bob (a long time time contributor), thank you. Rich S. is right, this
one is a keeper. I like to add that before, we didn't have so many
additives in our food. My grandfather lived to be 104 years old, and
was mobile up to his last days. He has been smoking since he was
fourteen. He grew his own tobacco, rice and vegetables...etc. He
raised his own cows, buffaloes, hogs, chickens...etc. He caught his
own fish and trapped his own wild game. In short he didn't consume
too much chemical. His food and his tobacco didn't have additives. I
believe, that contributed to his good health and longevity.

He demonstrated to me one time when I was very little (maybe five),
that if you light a store bought cigarette and put in down on the
ashtray, it will keep on burning until it burns itself out. He showed
me that hia cigar would burn itself out if left un-puffed or
unattended. He said this was due to additives that cigarette
manufacturer's put into cigarettes to make them keep burning so that
one has to start another cigarette thereby consume more of there
cigarette.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

Matt Whiting wrote:

Nope, simply observation over time, knowing from labor statistics the
kinds of jobs we have now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. We have fewer
farm, manufacturing, heavy labor, etc., jobs and more desk jobs, service
jobs, etc.

All true, but how do you explain skinny people that are sedentary and
don't diet? Although rare by comparison, they do exist in measurable
numbers.

I know a woman who is about 40 years old who, to this day, constantly
has to show ID to buy any kind of alcoholic beverage. She looks like
a 16 year old girl. She diets, but it is a special diet to try to
GAIN weight. She has as much trouble gaining as most everybody else
has losing. She doesn't have anorexia or the like, she's just plain
skinny.

There is no question that a sedentary lifestyle is a factor, but its
not the only factor. The odds are, most of the people reading this
know of a person similar to the woman described above.

Dennis.




Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work.
A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work."

To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using
them to put Americans out of work, visit the following
web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news
video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm

Nope, simply observation over time, knowing from labor statistics the
kinds of jobs we have now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. We have fewer
farm, manufacturing, heavy labor, etc., jobs and more desk jobs, service
jobs, etc.

All true, but how do you explain skinny people that are sedentary and
don't diet? Although rare by comparison, they do exist in measurable
numbers.


Metabolisim among other things.

I know a woman who is about 40 years old who, to this day, constantly
has to show ID to buy any kind of alcoholic beverage. She looks like
a 16 year old girl. She diets, but it is a special diet to try to
GAIN weight. She has as much trouble gaining as most everybody else
has losing. She doesn't have anorexia or the like, she's just plain
skinny.


There are medical exceptions to every rule but by and large, the obesity we are
experiencing as a nation is a direct result of eating habits and lifestyle.

There is no question that a sedentary lifestyle is a factor, but its
not the only factor. The odds are, most of the people reading this
know of a person similar to the woman described above.

Dennis.

I not only know of a person who was similar, I was one. I could eat anything
and all of everything I wanted and could not gain weight until I got into my
mid 30's. I then slowly started gaining weight. Now, I must watch what and
how I eat or I would be grossly overweight in no time. I also know of people
who are overweight in spite of eating reasonably and having an active life
style. But the vast majority of the overweight people I know are simply
unwilling to make the changes in their eating and lifestyle needed to keep
their weight under control.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


Nope, simply observation over time, knowing from labor statistics the
kinds of jobs we have now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. We have fewer
farm, manufacturing, heavy labor, etc., jobs and more desk jobs, service
jobs, etc.


All true, but how do you explain skinny people that are sedentary and
don't diet? Although rare by comparison, they do exist in measurable
numbers.

I was talking about the GENERAL obesity problem in the US, not any
particular person. Sure, there are all sorts of medical conditions that
can cause weight gain or loss. I never said otherwise.


I know a woman who is about 40 years old who, to this day, constantly
has to show ID to buy any kind of alcoholic beverage. She looks like
a 16 year old girl. She diets, but it is a special diet to try to
GAIN weight. She has as much trouble gaining as most everybody else
has losing. She doesn't have anorexia or the like, she's just plain
skinny.

Sure, I know people like that. And if you look at what they eat during
the day, they simply don't eat enough to ovecome what they burn. This
is simply chemistry and physics. The calories just don't disappear into
thin air. I'll bet you a steak dinner that she isn't eating 3,000
calories a day. The only "diet" you need to gain weight is a diet where
you eat more than your body consumes. I would hope that her doctors
have ruled out any medical condition that would cause her food to not be
broken down properly in her stomach or absorbed properly through her
intestines. Obviously, if there is a medical problem like that, then
changing diet probably won't have much affect.


There is no question that a sedentary lifestyle is a factor, but its
not the only factor. The odds are, most of the people reading this
know of a person similar to the woman described above.

Gee, Dennis, where did I ever say it was the only factor?


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

I was talking about the GENERAL obesity problem in the US, not any
particular person. Sure, there are all sorts of medical conditions that
can cause weight gain or loss. I never said otherwise.

Medical conditions? I never said that skinny people were sick.
However, sometimes watching them gorge themselves does make *me* sick
with envy.

Its generally related to metabolism - the rate at which we burn all
those calories. I can't cite any medical reference for this, but I do
know that when I fast (i.e.-quit eating), I lose weight slower than if
I just cut back. With a low carb diet, I can actually gorge myself on
legal foods and lose weight faster than fasting.

The point I'm trying to make is that somehow my system shifts gears
when it comes to metabolism. If I go hungry, my metabolism slows way
down. Pig out and it speeds up. In these naturally skinny people, I
think that it's in high gear pretty much all of the time.

Dennis.


Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work.
A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work."

To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using
them to put Americans out of work, visit the following
web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news
video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm

wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


I was talking about the GENERAL obesity problem in the US, not any
particular person. Sure, there are all sorts of medical conditions that
can cause weight gain or loss. I never said otherwise.


Medical conditions? I never said that skinny people were sick.
However, sometimes watching them gorge themselves does make *me* sick
with envy.

Its generally related to metabolism - the rate at which we burn all
those calories. I can't cite any medical reference for this, but I do
know that when I fast (i.e.-quit eating), I lose weight slower than if
I just cut back. With a low carb diet, I can actually gorge myself on
legal foods and lose weight faster than fasting.

That is why you shouldn't quit eating, just reduce portion sizes.


The point I'm trying to make is that somehow my system shifts gears
when it comes to metabolism. If I go hungry, my metabolism slows way
down. Pig out and it speeds up. In these naturally skinny people, I
think that it's in high gear pretty much all of the time.

Yes, everyone's system does that. That is why exercise is an important
component of any successful, lasting weight loss/control program.
Exercise itself greatly increases metabolism and the extra muscle mass
you create also increases your base metabolic rate so the benefits keep
on accruing even between exercise sessions. That is why any competent
trainer will recommend strength training in addition to cardio in
addition to eating less of the right foods. Cardio burns more calories
at the moment, but has little to no lasting affect. My trainer says you
will burn more calories for another hour or two after a cardio workout.
After a round with the weights, he says you will burn extra calories
for up to 24 hours! I've seen a number of other sources make this same
claim so I don't think he's blowing smoke.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

Exercise itself greatly increases metabolism and the extra muscle mass
you create also increases your base metabolic rate so the benefits keep
on accruing even between exercise sessions. That is why any competent

In my case, exercise just makes me more hungry. I may burn a few more
calories, but I eat twice as much. I have been the most successful
not exercising while trying to diet.

Dennis.

Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work.
A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work."

To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using
them to put Americans out of work, visit the following
web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news
video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm

wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


Exercise itself greatly increases metabolism and the extra muscle mass
you create also increases your base metabolic rate so the benefits keep
on accruing even between exercise sessions. That is why any competent


In my case, exercise just makes me more hungry. I may burn a few more
calories, but I eat twice as much. I have been the most successful
not exercising while trying to diet.

Yes, that is where the will power comes in! Hey, whatever works for you
is what you should do.

Matt

A nonsensical pranked email address said:
All true, but how do you explain skinny people that are sedentary and
don't diet?

Fidgeting.
http://pwp.value.net/~fitness/wghtnews.htm#10

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Nope, simply observation over time, knowing from labor statistics the
kinds of jobs we have now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. We have fewer
farm, manufacturing, heavy labor, etc., jobs and more desk jobs, service
jobs, etc. Also, I've yet to see any evidence that humans have evolved
genetically in a dramatic way in such a short period of time.
snip

Oh Yeah! We're the FIRST generation to have Michael Jackson! :0) :-)

Seriously, though I'm not disputing that environmental factors are
important. At the same time I cannot discount the other factors the article.
Those other things: genetic disposition to different metabolic rates, leptin
resistance, leptin levels, increased triglycerides, a virus previously
unknown - may have always been there and are just now being investigated.

If the changes you mention have come in the last 30 to 40 years, they may be
the "last straw" - not the "only straw".

I don't want to stray into social issues such as the trend to assign blame.
I don't think discussion of that would be productive whether I agree with
you or not. Likewise with the subject Mr. Reed raises about "the vast
majority of the overweight people I know are simply
unwilling to make the changes in their eating and lifestyle needed . . ." I
am interested in seeing further research done which will facilitate the
changes necessary for that "vast majority" (myself included) enabling them
to *become* willing.

Fifteen years ago, thanks to the help of nicotine patches, I quit a
thirty-year smoking habit. It is likely that I would have failed without the
patch. Let us fight the overweight epidemic with all of our weapons and
find new ones. Let's not give up on that vast majority by labeling them weak
or unwilling. There may or not be a patch for them, but why not look for
one?

I gotta go get some coffee. I just reread what I wrote am I'm not even sure
what I said. Mebbe you can figger out what I mean, though.

Ciao,
Rich S.