Female pilot accident rates

"T.Roger" wrote in message
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Anita Hill


I take it you don't get laid alot.

I think this is a valid question, maybe the politically correct amongst us
would shy away from such a question, but then, one of my friends once told
me that the most interesting questions are those that are politically
incorrect at the time. I would like to see the research not for the purpose
of NOT hiring women or the like, but the see what differences in error
making actually exists between the two sexes. Maybe both sexes can learn
from their genetic predispositions and be on the look out more carefully.

OT: on the other hand, I see that women are imho, better physicians than
men. They are smarter, read more, are more up to date, are more demanding
of themselves and of others around them (which means they can be more of a
pain in the ass too) and are just as skilled manually as men. Again, off
topic, women`s complaints of sexual discrimination and harassment do
occasionally make them fall victim even before starting, because people are
afraid to hire them and treat them as they do men, for fear they will use
the sex card against their employer. A friend`s husband was fired for
alleged sexual harassment in a software company but never got an opportunity
to defend himself. Let go immediately that same day and told that if he
shut up and accepted the plight, this would not show up on this work record.
Considering the software business lately, he had little choice.

Tien

"T.Roger" wrote in message
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And you wonder why women see a glass ceiling. It's golddiggers like these
and Andrea Mackris (Bill O'Reilly's accuser) that cause people like me to
avoid hiring women like the plague.


"Schlomo Lipchitz" wrote in message
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Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence. But when they threatened to sue for sexual
discrimination, Delta opted to just pay them rather that go through
the negative publicity. And that's a fact Jack!

"Tien Dao" wrote in message
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I would like to see the research not for the purpose
of NOT hiring women or the like, but the see what differences in error
making actually exists between the two sexes. Maybe both sexes can learn
from their genetic predispositions and be on the look out more carefully.

Even if there were genetic predispositions of the sort you're speculating
about, I don't see how it would help to be on the lookout as you suggest.
Wouldn't it make more sense for each of us to ascertain (with the help of
our instructors and examiners) our own individual strengths and weaknesses,
rather than pretending that we each had a skill set that matches the
statistical mean for our gender?

By analogy, there is a genetic correlation between gender and height. But
knowing this correlation doesn't help us to be on the lookout for what size
clothing we should buy. You want to buy clothing that fits you, not
clothing that fits the average person of your gender.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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By analogy, there is a genetic correlation between gender and height. But
knowing this correlation doesn't help us to be on the lookout for what
size
clothing we should buy. You want to buy clothing that fits you, not
clothing that fits the average person of your gender.

Maybe you are right. Although, I would have to add that you cannot change
your height, but if you have judgement or coordination inadequacies, these
might be addressed by further training, knowing that you MAY be more
predisposed to these types of errors. Also, for example, knowing that many
women feel sensitive what may constitute sexual harassment limits, a man may
be taught to better control his innate sexual drives. Arnold found this out
the hard way. No pun intended...

Tien

(Schlomo Lipchitz) wrote in message ...
Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence. But when they threatened to sue for sexual
discrimination, Delta opted to just pay them rather that go through
the negative publicity. And that's a fact Jack!

But schlomo, can't you see that the PC spoonfed milksops here aren't
interested in facts like this? Such things are not allowed on their
radar screens, at least publicly. They behave as told.

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"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
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(Schlomo Lipchitz) wrote in message
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Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence. But when they threatened to sue for sexual
discrimination, Delta opted to just pay them rather that go through
the negative publicity. And that's a fact Jack!

But schlomo, can't you see that the PC spoonfed milksops here aren't
interested in facts like this? Such things are not allowed on their
radar screens, at least publicly. They behave as told.

As a proud fascist right-wing capitalist pig, what I'd like to know is,
what's yer point? We've already allowed them to fly planes, drive cars, own
property, even vote, so what precisely is it you would like to see done
about the scourge of chick pilots?

-cwk.

"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
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(Schlomo Lipchitz) wrote in message
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Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence. But when they threatened to sue for sexual
discrimination, Delta opted to just pay them rather that go through
the negative publicity. And that's a fact Jack!

But schlomo, can't you see that the PC spoonfed milksops here aren't
interested in facts like this? Such things are not allowed on their
radar screens, at least publicly. They behave as told.

Mr. Dipschitz needs to be a little more careful with his facts. Both pilots
were out on medical.

"John Mazor" wrote in message ...

Mr. Dipschitz needs to be a little more careful with his facts. Both pilots
were out on medical.

Please elaborate.

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"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
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"John Mazor" wrote in message
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Mr. Dipschitz needs to be a little more careful with his facts. Both
pilots
were out on medical.

Please elaborate.

He said "Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home
getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence."

"Sitting at home getting paid" suggests they were goofing off and managing
to collect a paycheck. No, he didn't specifically say that, but without any
clarification, the reader is invited to draw that conclusion.

According to my information, one was retired on the medical, not fired for
incompetence. I believe the other one is still on medical, although I'm
still trying to get definitive information.

Leaving aside these specific examples, there have been incompetent pilots
ever since there were airlines. If you could somehow determine the number
men and women pilots fired for incompetence, it would be a lose-lose
proposition for women. If comparatively more women were fired, Slo-mo would
say that was prima facie evidence that women as a class are inferior. If
there were comparatively fewer fired, you would cite that as proof that
they're being coddled because of PC.

NoPoliticsHere wrote:

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

Don't know about that, but it seems to me that pretty much every
passenger airliners that's ever crashed has had some female cabin crew
members, and the vast majority of airliners that haven't crashed have
had men up front. Could be some strange causation there.

Then again, such an analysis could be as completely spurious as is your
approach which seems to involve looking for crashes involving female
flight crew, and then observing that there were female flight crew involved.

I suggest you give up your day job, and follow your true vocation, which
is clearly politics.

Sylvia.