Comprehensive security

Yep, I agree. My first real job was working as a repair technician for a
cash register dealer. Sometimes, the things couldn't be fixed in the field
and had to be brought back to the shop. I would just stroll out the door
with a big cash register and no one would ask me about it. I once had a
guard hold the door open for me.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Kgigd.324001$MQ5.208577@attbi_s52...
Go figure, nobody stopped by to ask me precisely what I thought I was
doing.

I used to marvel at this all the time.

In my last business, we had over 60 newspaper vending machines in one
county. If one didn't sell well, I'd have one of my guys move it to
another location.

Occasionally, I'd move one myself. I'd simply pull up in my unmarked
pickup
truck, back up to the machine that was in front of a restaurant or store,
and -- without further ado -- I'd lift the entire machine into the back of
the truck.

I did this for years. Never -- not even once -- did ANYONE question me,
or
what I was doing.

In my experience, if you act like you know what you're doing, you can get
away with almost anything.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Anyone who knows anything about national security knows that a terrorist
will not be likely caught at the scene minutes before the act.

Is this all "window dressing?" Sure it is. But it's a relatively small price
to pay to enjoy the freedom we have. Let's just hope the real keepers of our
security that are behind the scenes are doing their job.

Marco Leon


"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
hlink.net...
After 9/11, Massport mandated all aircraft tied down at BED had to have an
external lock of some kind. Also, everyone had to get badged,
fingerprinted,
undergo TSA training, and of course pay $75 for the privilege. Suffice it
to
say access was pretty tight.

Anyway, I used to have a chain and padlock on the tail of the 172 I co-own
there. One day I found I couldn't open the lock anymore, as the hasp had
been deformed when a windstorm tried to blow the plane away. So I went to
Home Depot and picked up a gigantic bolt-cutter, 36" long and bright
yellow.
I entered through the gate, parked, walked across the ramp (right beneath
the tower) carrying my new toy, walked right up to the plane and without
further ado chopped the lock off.

Go figure, nobody stopped by to ask me precisely what I thought I was
doing.
Oh, and there's a state trooper office on the field, with at least 1-2
officers there almost all the time, so they could have gotten there very
quickly.

-cwk.

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...

Is this all "window dressing?" Sure it is. But it's a relatively small
price
to pay to enjoy the freedom we have.

It's is NOT, NOT, NOT, a relatively small price. You've got it all EXACTLY
backwards.

The terrorists could never take our freedom. Only we (or our government if
completely ceases to become "we") can do that. The terrorists are not
powerful enough. They can knock down buildings, shut down city transit
systems, kill millions, and we will still be free if the country has the
guts to keep ourselves free.

You are not talking about freedom but only the illusion of infinitesimally
greater safety from violent acts that, while they have a huge impact on the
national psyche, are almost vanishingly unlikely to happen to any
individual. This illusion is created not by actually making us feel safer
but by creating a pervasive atmosphere of fear such that having freedoms
taken away brings us back to where we were before. When something is taken
away and then given back, you haven't gained anything.

The price for this illusion is innumerable changes in small things that used
to enrich our lives like parents stopping along the airport runway to watch
the planes with their children. Each may be inconsequential but in sum they
make up the essence of the freedom that this nation has always cherished.

The tragedy is that these changes have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to do
with increasing our safety and everything to do with an illusion that is
being increasingly manipulated by the government for purposes of achieving
the power to change the society in ways that would be considered radical if
the party currently in power were not labeled conservative.

Hitler, Sadam, and his ilk got their first grip on power by getting people
to say, "Sure, the storm troopers are obnoxious but they make the trains run
on time and I've got a job now."

The increasing and widespread adoption of exactly the point of view
expressed in your post is a far, far greater threat to our nation than the
terrorists will ever be.

No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are free
to give it up.

--

Roger Long

Roger Long wrote:
"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...


Is this all "window dressing?" Sure it is. But it's a relatively small
price
to pay to enjoy the freedom we have.


It's is NOT, NOT, NOT, a relatively small price. You've got it all EXACTLY
backwards.

The terrorists could never take our freedom. Only we (or our government if
completely ceases to become "we") can do that. The terrorists are not
powerful enough. They can knock down buildings, shut down city transit
systems, kill millions, and we will still be free if the country has the
guts to keep ourselves free.

You are not talking about freedom but only the illusion of infinitesimally
greater safety from violent acts that, while they have a huge impact on the
national psyche, are almost vanishingly unlikely to happen to any
individual. This illusion is created not by actually making us feel safer
but by creating a pervasive atmosphere of fear such that having freedoms
taken away brings us back to where we were before. When something is taken
away and then given back, you haven't gained anything.

The price for this illusion is innumerable changes in small things that used
to enrich our lives like parents stopping along the airport runway to watch
the planes with their children. Each may be inconsequential but in sum they
make up the essence of the freedom that this nation has always cherished.

The tragedy is that these changes have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to do
with increasing our safety and everything to do with an illusion that is
being increasingly manipulated by the government for purposes of achieving
the power to change the society in ways that would be considered radical if
the party currently in power were not labeled conservative.

Hitler, Sadam, and his ilk got their first grip on power by getting people
to say, "Sure, the storm troopers are obnoxious but they make the trains run
on time and I've got a job now."

The increasing and widespread adoption of exactly the point of view
expressed in your post is a far, far greater threat to our nation than the
terrorists will ever be.

No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are free
to give it up.


Well said, Roger! Freedom is under attack, and not (mainly) by the
terrorists.

-Aviv

The "price to pay" that I'm talking about is dealing with the "window
dressing" security measures. That price includes fighting these security
measures being put on us as a society and on general aviation in particular.
We should fight it tooth and nail. The real battle for our security (read:
prevention of another terrorist attack) however is being fought in places we
will never know about.

Marco

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...

Is this all "window dressing?" Sure it is. But it's a relatively small
price
to pay to enjoy the freedom we have.

It's is NOT, NOT, NOT, a relatively small price. You've got it all
EXACTLY
backwards.

snip

Excellent, Roger, thanks for the post!

"Roger Long" wrote in message ...
"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message ...

Is this all "window dressing?" Sure it is. But it's a relatively small price
to pay to enjoy the freedom we have.

It's is NOT, NOT, NOT, a relatively small price. You've got it all EXACTLY backwards.

The terrorists could never take our freedom. Only we (or our government if completely ceases to become "we") can do
that. The terrorists are not powerful enough. They can knock down buildings, shut down city transit systems, kill
millions, and we will still be free if the country has the guts to keep ourselves free.

You are not talking about freedom but only the illusion of infinitesimally greater safety from violent acts that,
while they have a huge impact on the national psyche, are almost vanishingly unlikely to happen to any individual.
This illusion is created not by actually making us feel safer but by creating a pervasive atmosphere of fear such that
having freedoms taken away brings us back to where we were before. When something is taken away and then given back,
you haven't gained anything.

The price for this illusion is innumerable changes in small things that used to enrich our lives like parents stopping
along the airport runway to watch the planes with their children. Each may be inconsequential but in sum they make up
the essence of the freedom that this nation has always cherished.

The tragedy is that these changes have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to do with increasing our safety and everything to
do with an illusion that is being increasingly manipulated by the government for purposes of achieving the power to
change the society in ways that would be considered radical if the party currently in power were not labeled
conservative.

Hitler, Sadam, and his ilk got their first grip on power by getting people to say, "Sure, the storm troopers are
obnoxious but they make the trains run on time and I've got a job now."

The increasing and widespread adoption of exactly the point of view expressed in your post is a far, far greater
threat to our nation than the terrorists will ever be.

No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are free to give it up.

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote


The tragedy is that these changes have nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to do
with increasing our safety and everything to do with an illusion that is
being increasingly manipulated by the government for purposes of achieving
the power to change the society in ways that would be considered radical
if
the party currently in power were not labeled conservative.

Hitler, Sadam, and his ilk got their first grip on power by getting people
to say, "Sure, the storm troopers are obnoxious but they make the trains
run
on time and I've got a job now."

The increasing and widespread adoption of exactly the point of view
expressed in your post is a far, far greater threat to our nation than the
terrorists will ever be.

No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are
free
to give it up.

--

Roger Long

O.K. Roger. What have *you* done to help us keep our freedoms? Have you
gotten to those that are stacking on the restrictions, and made them stop?
Just voting for what you think are the right people counts for nothing.
What else?

Although what you say may be true I, for one, am sick of hearing people (and
you) spout off about it.

Flame away, but come here with something that will make a difference, and I
will start listening again.
--
Jim in NC


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"Roger Long" wrote:
Hitler, Sadam, and his ilk got their first grip on power by getting
people
to say, "Sure, the storm troopers are obnoxious but they make the
trains run on time and I've got a job now."

The increasing and widespread adoption of exactly the point of view
expressed in your post is a far, far greater threat to our nation than
the terrorists will ever be.

No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are
free to give it up.

Attaboy, Roger.
--
Dan

"There ought to be limits to freedom"

- George W. Bush

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"There ought to be limits to freedom"

- George W. Bush
And, next term, there will be. For crissaches pilots, wake up and vote for
ANYBODY but this guy! Even if Kerry is as bad, or worse, at least you'll be
breaking the momentum. Look beyond the piddling tax breaks he's giving you
with our grandchildren's money and think about what has cost you the most
freedom since 911, the attacks government reaction? Then ask yourself, have
any of these measures been sensible, effective, or worth the freedom lost?

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
[...]
No one can take freedom from a country as great as this one but we are
free to give it up.

Interesting timing for your post. I, of course, wholeheartedly agree with
everything you've said. All bin Laden and his folks did was to knock down a
couple of buildings. It's our own government, and our own citizens for that
matter, who have done the bulk of the damage. Just as you properly point
out.

And then, just today I read this article providing a more in-depth summary
of the new bin Laden video recording:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6387377/

In it, bin Laden basically says "it's easy to manipulate the US government
into destroying itself and its own country" and then describes the many ways
that he and his group has done so. Sadly, he is actually correct.

The only question now is, will our government and citizenship wake up and
smell the coffee? Or will they do the typical "human nature" thing and just
dig in harder, refusing the accept that there might actually be some truth
in what bin Laden says, when he discusses how easily the US citizens are
fooled into sacrificing their own rights and economic well-being?

I'm trying to be optimistic, but frankly...it's difficult.

Pete