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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:17:16 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. Where is your data? I think far more have been killed over greed than religion. Unfortunately, my data is about as good as yours. :-) Matt Religion is a form of greed. As an example, when the rapture comes, only the born again will enjoy the blessings of heaven, while the rest of us burn in a sea of fire. Not really a good example of sharing the wealth, is it? |
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![]() "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:17:16 -0500, Matt Whiting wrote: That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. Where is your data? I think far more have been killed over greed than religion. Unfortunately, my data is about as good as yours. :-) Matt Religion is a form of greed. As an example, when the rapture comes, only the born again will enjoy the blessings of heaven, while the rest of us burn in a sea of fire. Not really a good example of sharing the wealth, is it? Certainly it is. Everyone has the opportunity to be part of the rapture. Only those who choose not to participate will be left behind. It doesn't get any more generous than that. It is entirely your choice. What more could you ask for? Matt Ah, Matt, you don't even know your own holy book. Revelations describes the dimensions of heaven and it is not unlimited. Hurry up and go, fella. First come, first served. As soon as it is full (Hell,it may be full a'ready), newcomers will be turned away. Matter of fact I have it on good authority they'll be pushed over the balusters into the fiery brink below. |
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![]() "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... G.R. Patterson III wrote: Jay Honeck wrote: Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. Where is your data? I think far more have been killed over greed than religion. Unfortunately, my data is about as good as yours. :-) Matt I think you have a point there, Matt. Religion, to quote Stendhal, is founded on the fears of the many and the cleverness of the few. The greedy few have slyly used religion to mobilize the masses to do their bidding over the centuries. Kings, prelates, despots, corporate executives, charismatic ministers, governors, even elected presidents have found religion useful in their hunger for wealth and power. The Bible's justification of slavery -- e. g., the story of Ham in the Old Testament and Paul's and Timothy's letters in the New --- was quite helpful for the Conquistadors, the Pilgrims, Tidewater Aristocrats, and the Southern Planters when they settled the New World. |
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Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. Matt |
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![]() "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... MC wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. During Hitler's ascendancy and power, millions did not view him as a "fanatic nut case." Matter of fact he visited regularly with his close friend Pope Pius in Rome. |
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jls wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... MC wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. During Hitler's ascendancy and power, millions did not view him as a "fanatic nut case." Matter of fact he visited regularly with his close friend Pope Pius in Rome. I didn't say he was stupid. Most fanatics are pretty good a camoflaging it until they have sufficient power to accomplish their goals. Matt |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:18:38 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. During Hitler's ascendancy and power, millions did not view him as a "fanatic nut case." Matter of fact he visited regularly with his close friend Pope Pius in Rome. I didn't say he was stupid. Most fanatics are pretty good a camoflaging it until they have sufficient power to accomplish their goals. Matt I think the point is that Pius was quite willing to play footsies with Hitler, not how smart Hitler was. There was no question about Hitler's character when he was meeting with his pals in the Vatican. Furthermore, the relationship was as much about the power of the church as it was Hitler's. |
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![]() "Matt Whiting" wrote: I'm no supporter of the Catholic church, so I won't argue with you there. The Catholic church doesn't follow the Bible in many ways and much of what they believe in and do is simply not supported by scripture and often outright condemned. I know most Catholics would disagree, but I don't consider Catholicism to be Christianity as they tend to elevate Mary to a level equal to or even higher than Christ. In discussions like this it usually isn't long before the retreating Christian pulls out the old "no true Scotsman" argument. |
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