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![]() PJ Hunt wrote: This statute applies to commercial operations. So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it with the land owner first. Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference to the statute that prohibits other operations? George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote: PJ Hunt wrote: This statute applies to commercial operations. So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it with the land owner first. Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference to the statute that prohibits other operations? George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. This is snipped from what was posted and seems to me to cover the issue. No aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation purposes. If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from practical knowledge that it is not allowed. HTH. z |
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![]() zatatime wrote: If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from practical knowledge that it is not allowed. I'm probably reading it wrong. George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote: Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference to the statute that prohibits other operations? I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the "slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of trouble when I flew it out again the next day after the problem was solved. In the end the feds admittited I hadn't violated any FAR's and the state aviation people (who actually were very reasonable about it) decided not to charge me as long as I promised to never land there again. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Roses are red, Violets are blue, I'm wasting much too much time on the internet, and probably, so are you. |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:29:44 -0500, Dana M. Hague
d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote: I can't provide a statute, but around 20 years ago while flying the "slot" I emergency landed my T-Craft on a Hudson River pier (in Weehawken, on the Jersey side). The emergency landing was OK as far as both the FAA and state were concerned, but I got in all sorts of trouble when I flew it out again the next day There's a closed army air field not far from Boston. Friend of a friend landed there when he had engine trouble. He was required to dissasemble the aircraft and truck it out of there; wasn't permitted to take off. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:04:44 -0900, "PJ Hunt"
wrote: So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it with the land owner first. There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the ordinance quoted. I landed at several such when I took Damian Delgaizo's bush-flying course. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:37:48 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote: There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the ordinance quoted. Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields? z |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:54:08 GMT, zatatime wrote:
There are indeed private fields in NJ. Of course they may pre-date the ordinance quoted. Private airfields / strips, or just regular farm fields? Is there a difference? All I know is that I landed on runways that weren't public-use airfields. They weren't pastures, if that's what you mean. One of them had a hangar and a windsock and a mowed strip; I believe that that was a public-use airfield in the process of going private. The others were more basic, but all were mowed and clearly visible as runways from the air, and were used regularly by their owners and their friends. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com the blog www.danford.net |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:14:03 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote: "zatatime" wrote in message .. . In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . . Define "approved", sil vous plait. Rich S. You'd have to check with the State DOT for a true definition, but the working definition is any designated public or private heliport, or airport within the state. HTH. z |
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"zatatime" wrote in message
... You'd have to check with the State DOT for a true definition, but the working definition is any designated public or private heliport, or airport within the state. As with the word "approved" - your definition just substitutes the word "designated". In order to be meaningful, one needs to know how, by whom and by what authority. I read Gia's excerpts and it's clear that the NJ state government has usurped the Federal authority in this area - not that this is anything new for a state government. We have much the same type of ordinance in the area I live. A few years ago, the county decided the sheriff's deputies were getting confused about the "No Shooting" boundaries and found it difficult to enforce. So, they just made the whole area out of bounds. If one reads the wording though, it allows shooting in "designated shooting ranges". They failed to define what constitutes a shooting range and didn't set up procedures for designation. I think I have a sign on the property someplace that warns trespassers they are entering a designated shooting range. I hate beanery lawyers, but sometimes the stupidity of municipal, county, state and federal burrocrats leaves one no choice. Most times, the wording of the law makes little difference when it comes time to go to court. The judge will interpret however he/she wants. None of the above should be construed as criticism of any of our wonderful appointed or elected officials. Rich "Toe the line" S. |
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