"bush flying" in the suburbs?

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:26:01 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:

A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?

Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z

Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.

Mike
MU-2


Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
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Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Benefits of having a country the size of the lower 48 but the population of
New York.

-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message ink.net...

"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
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Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Benefits of having a country the size of the lower 48 but the population of
New York.

-cwk.



So much for Freedom, eh?

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, C Kingsbury wrote:


"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
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Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Benefits of having a country the size of the lower 48 but the population of
New York.

Bigger than the lower 48, actually, by a fair bit. Only Russia is bigger,
by land area... (even after the USSR spun off the Ukraine, the 'stans, and
stuff, Russia is still bigger!)

Brian.
www.warbard.ca/avgas/index.html

Drew Dalgleish wrote:

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 02:26:01 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:


"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:19:40 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:


A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?


Again, I do not have the specific documentation, but in a nutshell, if
it's for private use, you need to adhere to all the State DOT regs
pertaining to Private Use Airports. If it's for public use, you need
to comply with those requirements, i.e. Airport Safety Zone, 7 to 1
glide ratio to a certain distance away from the runway, lighting as
applicable, etc...

I know someone who did this for a heliport in Northern NJ, it took
quite a while, and cost a bunch of money.

HTH.
z

Here in ID, your runway has to be 2000' from the nearest neighbor to get
approval for a new airstrip. In practice, this takes quite a bit of land,
hundreds of acres.

Mike
MU-2



Wow sucks to be you guys. In Canada we can pretty much land and take
off wherever we please

Just because not enough people want to live in Canada to provide
neighbors within 2000 feet is no reason to get arrogant! :-)

Matt

Donating a few thousand to the governor's campaign slush fund would probably
be a good place to start. Seems to work for most other things in that place.

"Blueskies" wrote in message
om...
A 'proper license' should not be too hard to come by. How do you get one?

"Gig Giacona" wr.giacona@ wrote

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,. . .
NJ Statues


6:1-2. Definitions
As used in this chapter:

landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire or
reward or instructing students for hire or reward

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

PJ

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"Rich S." wrote in message
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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Define "approved", sil vous plait.

Rich S.


NJ Statues


6:1-2. Definitions
As used in this chapter:

" Aircraft " means any contrivance invented, used or designed for
navigation or flight in the air except a parachute or other contrivance
designed for such navigation but used primarily as safety equipment.

"Airman" means any person who engages in the navigation or direction
of aircraft while under way.

"Airport" means any locality, either of land or water, which is used
for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which meets the requirements
for a rating by the United States department of commerce.

"Commission" means the state aviation commission.

"Director" means the state director of aviation.

"Landing field" means any locality, either of land or water, which
is
used for the landing or taking off of aircraft and which does not meet
the
requirements for a rating by the United States department of commerce.

6:1-15. Licensing of airports and landing fields
No owner or operator of any airport or landing field shall permit the
owner or pilot of any aircraft to use such airport or landing field for
landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire or
reward or instructing students for hire or reward, unless such owner or
operator of the airport or landing field has been granted a license or
temporary letter of authority from the commission for such operation.

No owner or pilot of aircraft shall carry any passengers for hire or
reward from any airport or landing field in this state, unless such
airport
or landing field has been granted a license or temporary letter of
authority from the commission for the type of operation to be engaged in.


6:1-43. Use of emergency facility or facility operated exclusively by and
for government; license for aeronautical activity; fixed base operation
It shall be unlawful, except as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted pursuant to this
chapter, to operate, use, or cause to be operated or used any avigation
facility intended to accommodate the operation, take-off, or landing of
aircraft , except in the case of emergency or at avigation facilities
owned
and operated exclusively by and for the Government of the United States.
No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes. It shall be further unlawful to operate or allow to be
operated
without proper license any aeronautical activity-fixed base operation
that
is required to be licensed by the provisions of this chapter or the
rules,
regulations and orders issued pursuant to this chapter in the interests
of
the public health, safety and welfare.

6:1-44. Licenses; aviation facilities and temporary landing areas
The commissioner shall provide for the licensing of airports, landing
strips, or other avigation facilities and temporary landing areas by
rules,
regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health and safety
and
the safety of those participating in aeronautical activities; provided,
however, that the continued use and operation of airports, landing
strips,
and other avigation facilities, in use and operation on the effective
date
of this chapter, for which an application for a license shall have been
filed within the time fixed by the commissioner, shall be permitted,
pending the granting or rejection of such applications; and provided
further, that the application for a license for any airport, landing
strip,
or other avigation facility in use and operation on the effective date of
this chapter shall be granted, unless the commissioner shall find that
such
airports, landing strips, or other avigation facilities are not
constructed, equipped and operated in accordance with the standards and
requirements fixed by the rules, regulations and orders of the
commissioner. Whenever the commissioner or the Director of Aeronautics
shall reject any application for license under the provisions of this
section, he shall state in writing the reasons for such rejection.

The commissioner may further determine it necessary and provide for
the
licensing of specific aeronautical activities, fixed base operations, or
persons engaged in specific types of aeronautical activities, or
operations
by rules, regulations and orders adequate to protect the public health,
safety and welfare and the safety of those participating in aeronautics.

PJ Hunt on Dec 7, 3:04 pm wrote:


"Gig Giacona" wr.giacona@ wrote

In NJ you can't land anywhere except and approved landing facility,.
.. .
NJ Statues

6:1-2. Definitions
As used in this chapter:
landing or taking off while engaged in carrying passengers for hire
or
reward or instructing students for hire or reward

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge
them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.

**** Reply ***

That is what I thought at first too. However the section dealing with
emergency landings appears to prohibit, without regard to com-
mercial operation, non-emergency landings at non-licecensed fields.
But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

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FF

wrote:

But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

Probably. You seem to have missed the words "operated exclusively by and for
government" in that section.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:
wrote:

But maybe I need to read it again 2-3 more times.

Probably. You seem to have missed the words "operated exclusively by
and for
government" in that section.


I saw the preceding word "or" just fine.

The bottom line is most likely to be found in the
exceptions "as provided for by the provisions of this
chapter and the rules, regulations and orders adopted
pursuant to this chapter,"

which one supposes could exempt private property
used with the owners permission, or not.

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FF