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Old December 8th 04, 10:19 PM
G.R. Patterson III
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PJ Hunt wrote:

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.


Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

George Patterson
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Old December 9th 04, 12:39 AM
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:19:42 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
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PJ Hunt wrote:

This statute applies to commercial operations.

So you CAN go alone or take your friends, as long as you don't charge them
or receive a reward, and land in all the fields you want without prior
permission from the 'commission. Of course you would want to approve it
with the land owner first.


Rich asked for a definition of "approved". That's what Gig provided. The section
he quoted does prohibit commercial operations, but no claim has been made that
that's the entire law in New Jersey. Perhaps "zatatime" can provide a reference
to the statute that prohibits other operations?

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.



This is snipped from what was posted and seems to me to cover the
issue.

No
aircraft or airman shall utilize, land, or take off from any area of land
or water, unless that area is licensed for such activity, or found and
declared by the commissioner to be vital or necessary for avigation
purposes.


If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the
State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from
practical knowledge that it is not allowed.

HTH.
z
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Old December 9th 04, 01:52 AM
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zatatime wrote:

If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the
State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from
practical knowledge that it is not allowed.


I'm probably reading it wrong.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.
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Old December 9th 04, 02:22 AM
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:52:31 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
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zatatime wrote:

If this does not cover the issue, I'll try to find time to call the
State DOT for clarification of what statute applies. I only know from
practical knowledge that it is not allowed.


I'm probably reading it wrong.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.


Not too sure about that. I did miss the "government" comment
preceeding my snip. No promises, but I'll try to follow up to get the
reg #.

z
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Old December 9th 04, 04:28 AM
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Several years ago, when I lived in the north end of San Bernardino,
California, my father-in-law used to land on a concrete slab left over from
a WWII Army supply depot. It was about a mile and a half from the house,
just of the east side of Interstate-15 We had scoped the place out, cleared
some brush, and sunk some anchors for tie downs. He lived and flew in Alaska
and the plane was a C-170B with big flaps and huge mains.
Pop would fly over the house and rack the throttle a couple times to get
my attention, then head for the patch. By the time I got there he'd be
tieing the plane down.
One late evening, right at twilight, we went through the drill. I helped
him finish up the tie-downs and just as we started to unload... Headlights,
spotlights, and cops -- sheriff, Highway patrol, city cops, and we found out
in a few minutes the FBI and DEA -- appeared from every direction!
Fortunately, none of them unholstered their pistols but a few had
shotguns pointed in the air. One guy, turned out to be DEA, asked Pop if
they could look in the airplane. I almost wet myself when the old man
answered, "Not unless you tell me what you think you're looking for." After
about ten minutes of hassling back and forth... Pop was a hard-core
conservative, if you haven't figured that out yet... he opened the door and
let them inspect his cargo. He was even polite enough to warn them that his
30.06 and 44Mag were hot loaded, as was his Armalite folded rifle that was
wrapped up in his parka. He was actually bluffing about that. He never
carried the guns loaded in the airplane.
Somebody in the neighborhood alerted the cops. Surely we had to be
smuggling something. Especially when the busybody watched us carry all the
gear out of the airplane and stuff it into the Wagoneer. Especially when
they saw the .06 in the open.
Then, came my turn. The DEA guy walked over to me and asked if he could
look into the Jeep. I could see the old man grinning at me over the agent's
shoulder. With a mouth full of cotton and pucker-factor creeping over the
nine mark, I managed to croak, "Not unless you tell me what you think you're
looking for." Every cop within hearing distance burst out laughing,
including the DEA agent. He shook his head and walked away.
The old concrete slab is long gone. A housing development went in there.
I moved away. The old man and N2310D disappeared into the mountains
somewhere between Anchorage and North Way. Every time I drive into San
Berdoo I remember that night.


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Old December 9th 04, 04:53 AM
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:28:43 GMT, "Casey Wilson"
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Every time I drive into San
Berdoo I remember that night.


Sorry for your loss, but thanks for sharing your good memories.

z
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Old December 9th 04, 08:34 AM
Larry Dighera
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:28:43 GMT, "Casey Wilson"
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Several years ago, when I lived in the north end of San Bernardino,
California, my father-in-law used to land on a concrete slab left over from
a WWII Army supply depot. It was about a mile and a half from the house,
just of the east side of Interstate-15 We had scoped the place out, cleared
some brush, and sunk some anchors for tie downs. He lived and flew in Alaska
and the plane was a C-170B with big flaps and huge mains.
Pop would fly over the house and rack the throttle a couple times to get
my attention, then head for the patch. By the time I got there he'd be
tieing the plane down.
One late evening, right at twilight, we went through the drill. I helped
him finish up the tie-downs and just as we started to unload... Headlights,
spotlights, and cops -- sheriff, Highway patrol, city cops, and we found out
in a few minutes the FBI and DEA -- appeared from every direction!


[snip]

Thanks for the great story.

You're lucky you didn't end up like Frank Critzer at Giant Rock.
Rumor is that the San Bernardino or Riverside police lobbed a tear gas
canister into his home and set off the dynamite he had stored there.
http://www.integratron.com/2History/History.html
http://www.lucernevalley.net/giantrock/
http://www.labyrinthina.com/rock.htm

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Old December 9th 04, 03:14 PM
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
news:%vQtd.755$Qp.517@trnddc01...
(snip)
The old man and N2310D disappeared into the mountains somewhere between
Anchorage and North Way. Every time I drive into San Berdoo I remember
that night.


Wish I had known him. Thanks for sharing.

Rich S.


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Old December 10th 04, 02:21 AM
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message news:%vQtd.755$Qp.517@trnddc01...
The old man and N2310D disappeared into the mountains somewhere between Anchorage and North Way. Every time I drive
into San Berdoo I remember that night.



We need more like him today...


 




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