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Old December 16th 04, 02:59 AM
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Air is pretty heavy, which is why we can fly. It weighs .078
lb/cubic foot at standard sea level pressure and temperature. What's
that, about 13 cubic feet for a pound? The air in a room can easily
outweigh the occupants.

Dan

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Old December 16th 04, 04:59 AM
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Air is mostly (70%) Nitrogen, most of the rest is Oxygen.

The atomic mass of Nitrogen is 14, of Oxygen is 16. Both occur as
molecules (N2, O2) so the mass of each molecule is twice the above
figures.

Now, at STP, there are 22.4 liters in a mole, and a mole is the amount
of stuff that would weigh (in grams) what its molecular mass is. So,
22.4 liters of nitrogen would weigh 28 grams. Of Oxygen, it would be
32 grams. So we have a little over a gram per liter. Ok, more than
just a little, but less than a gram and a half per, and it's in the
ballpark. Lets use one gram per liter.

A liter is 1000 cubic centimeters, which is the volume of a cube 10
centimeters on a side. (or equivealently, 1/10 meter on a side).
1000 liters would be a cube one meter on a side, and air would weigh
"a little" over one Kg per cubic meter. A meter is "a little" over
three feet, so a cubic meter is "a little more" over 27 cubic feet.
One Kg is "a little" over two pounds, divide by 27, or even 30, and I
get something less than a tenth of a pound per cubic foot.

Air is pretty heavy, which is why we can fly. It weighs .078
lb/cubic foot at standard sea level pressure and temperature. What's
that, about 13 cubic feet for a pound?


Yep. That's just about right.

Now, take a typical room that's three meters tall, three meters wide,
and four meters deep. Not a very big room, but it has a high ceiling.
This gives us 36 cubic meters, and the air would weigh "a little"
over 36 Kg. Well, I weigh more than a little over 36 Kg, but it's
close enough to show that a smallish room will hold less than a
person's mass in air, but a largish roomfull of air can easily
outweigh a person.

The air in a room can easily
outweigh the occupants.


Yep again.

Now, how big is the White House?

Jose
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Old December 16th 04, 12:39 PM
Larry Dighera
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:59:41 GMT, Jose
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Now, how big is the White House?



Hot air weighs a lot less. :-)
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Old December 16th 04, 05:22 PM
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Air is pretty heavy, which is why we can fly. It weighs .078
lb/cubic foot at standard sea level pressure and temperature.

What's
that, about 13 cubic feet for a pound? The air in a room can easily
outweigh the occupants.

Dan


I seem to recall .002378 #m/ft3 as air density at STP.


http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/24_600.html lists it at 60
degrees F. as 7.636 x 10-2 lbs/cu.ft., or .07636 lbs, a bit less than I
had quoted. STP is at 59 degrees, but the one degree difference doesn't
change the density much.

Dan

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Old December 18th 04, 01:26 AM
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 03:36:14 in message
, Orval
Fairbairn wrote:

I seem to recall .002378 #m/ft3 as air density at STP.


That is in slugs per cubic foot. Both figures are correct. One in pounds
mass and the other in slugs which is a mass unit. Is the slug still
used? I used it a lot in my early days.

My old standard atmosphere data gives sea level at 0.07675 lb/cubic
foot.

Divide that by g (32.17 ft per second per second) gives 0.0023857 slugs
per cubic foot.
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