drug/alcohol testing policy: effective?

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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"Chip Jones" wrote in message

This guy I know started smoking cannabis in college. He enjoyed it so
much
and so often that he started losing control of the direction his life
was
going in. As you might expect, he soon saw falling school grades, low
energy, no motivation, etc., the classic results of habitual pot use.
It
was fun (he says), but it was a dead end. To steer his ship down a
straighter, narrower channel, this guy walked into a recruiting office
and
enlisted in the Marine Corps.

And you're sure that it was the dope that was the problem and not a
symptom?

Nope.

And your qualification to make that assessment are...?

Are you a psychologist that got into his head in detail, or are you merely
self-professedly psychic?

Gee...ever heard of "cause and effect"?


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Chip Jones" wrote in message news:718wd.606

They are motivated to eat, if nothing else. But habitual
drug users aren't motivated to give a rats ass about much more than
getting
high.

Except the professor I know. PhD in--get this--criminology. Dude's an
expert in drug abuse arrest demographics. He and his father smoke pot
together, and his father is a very successful lawyer in Alaska. They spent
a month together with their families in New Zealand, bungee jumping and
sailing and surfing and scuba diving, while non-users like the CFIs on this
group struggle to pay their bills. I also know a habitual smoker who is
an accomplished physicist and progammer, just bought a 44' ketch once owned
by the Disneys, and works from his sailboat which, last I heard, was at the
Catalina Islands.

I also know two pot-smoking engineers, a former US Army Major who asked me
if I wanted to partake (I declined) and a woman who smoked pot in college
and graduated Suma Cum Laude from a university in Texas. Let's see...I
know a music teacher who smoked pot daily when we were in college together.
She quit five years ago and hasn't been **** tested yet. Geologist, a
jeweler, a crane operator...

Habitual aviatiors aren't motivated to give a rat's ass about much more than
flying.

-c

"Chip Jones" wrote in message news:718wd.606$

How about you, Spiccoli?

....then...

I am opposed to all forms of smoking, drinking alcohol, and boxing while
engaged in an air safety endeavour like commercial flying or air traffic
control.

Yeah, but....no offense. You sound like you have anger/hostility issues of
your own to deal with and, quite frankly, based on your responses to these
people here, I wouldn't get in an airplane with you because you seem, well,
like an arrogant prick. For example:

I can see for myself that you do know a lot about brain fade. Sorry to
hear
your life is so stressful. Good thing you aren't an aviation
professional!

....and...

I vote for chicken ****. Kinda like a guy who doesn't have the stones to
put his real name on a post.

Good luck with your flying career. I sure wouldn't have anything to do with
you in the cockpit, though. Before you start insulting other people, think
about your own faults and ask yourself if you're the kind of guy that people
would want to entrust their lives with, regardless of whether you're clean.

-c

Chip Jones wrote:



I know, quite literally, over five hundred controllers. I have also served
as a union drug testing rep for NATCA. I am saying that this opinion is the
overwhelming consensus on this in 100% of the controllers whose hands I held
while they were peeing in a bottle. How about you, Spiccoli?


You guys need to reread the drug test regs. We get to go in the
bathroom alone up here. No hand holding needed.

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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"gatt" wrote in message
The discussion is, is the aviation community's drug and alcohol
habit--or
lack thereof--influenced by drug testing policy; do pilots obstain
because
of drug tests, or do they obstain because they're pilots?

I personally think drug testing throughout all areas of transportation is
a
Very Good Idea.

Back in my younger years, I quit smoking pot because I got a job that did
random drug testing. That's good for y'all 'cause I was in charge of
remotely controlling the flows and pressures for thousands of miles of
very
high pressure natural gas pipeline. It would not be good if I forgot to
open or shut a valve when I was supposed to do so.

I didn't smoke pot while flying because that would be stupid.

I don't smoke pot now because my short term memory is bad enough as it is.

Testing kits aren't "prohibitively expensive" as your buddy says.
Twenty-five people can be tested for about $250.00. That may be
"expensive"
depending on how many you must do but I would not put it in the
"prohibitively expensive" category.

Either way, the cost of NOT doing pre, post and interim drug screening
would
be much higher than I'm willing to pay. Too damn many people are like I
used to be.

--
Jim Fisher



And then there are the people that have a lifetime supply by prescription of
vicodan, percodan, percocet, diazapam, or some other opiate, hypnotic or
designer pansy pill that have very bad effect on a persons judgment and
decision making skills than cannabis and leaves them highly susceptible to
suggestion. I would trust the guy that drinks & smokes cannabis at home then
work with someone on them make you feel happy pansy pills that they had out
like candy.

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
news:2KJvd.77134

I didn't smoke pot while flying because that would be stupid.

Granted, there are plenty of pilots who do plenty of stupid things, but
that's how I look at it.

Too damn many people are like I used to be.

Heh. I applaud your honesty!

-c