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![]() "Jon Kraus" wrote in message Just curious as to how many of us are in the "Flunked a Checkride" club. It seems that the fail rate for the IFR checkride is more prevalent than the Private. I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. I can claim in my defense that I was my instructor's first student, and when we were prepping for the checkride and he had me do, by coincidence, nearly the same cross-country plan, I used the field and he said it was good. Passed my IFR on the first try, in IMC, but I can't imagine how. I haven't been that stressed out since Marine Corps OCS. -c |
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"gatt" wrote
I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. WHATTT.... No way! You can use a tree as a waypoint as long as it can be identified from the airplane in flight. Maybe you failed because you could not identify the "grass" field as a waypoint, not because it was a "private" field. Bob Moore |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:16:43 GMT, Bob Moore
wrote: "gatt" wrote I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. WHATTT.... No way! You can use a tree as a waypoint as long as it can be identified from the airplane in flight. Maybe you failed because you could not identify the "grass" field as a waypoint, not because it was a "private" field. Bob Moore My feelings exactly. I used private fields for my waypoints on several cross countries WITH the CFI in the right seat. The only point he made is that sometimes the private fields are hard to spot. Corky Scott |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:09:22 -0500, Corky Scott
wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:16:43 GMT, Bob Moore wrote: "gatt" wrote I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. WHATTT.... No way! You can use a tree as a waypoint as long as it can be identified from the airplane in flight. Maybe you failed because you could not identify the "grass" field as a waypoint, not because it was a "private" field. Bob Moore My feelings exactly. I used private fields for my waypoints on several cross countries WITH the CFI in the right seat. The only point he made is that sometimes the private fields are hard to spot. Hard to spot? I took my check ride the morning after we had a couple inches of snow. Almost all of my check points were invisible. I never did find most of them, but by pointing to the map and finding other references I was able to show I was where I thought I was. The only reason I could find the Pinconing airstrip was two airplanes parked outside and it took a relatively low pass to identify those. The examiner was happy. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Corky Scott |
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"gatt" wrote
I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. "Private" does not necessarily mean "Grass". Just north of my location in Tarpon Springs, FL, there were two private airports, both with 3-4,000' of paved runway. Hidden Lake and TampaBay Exec which has just recently closed. Bob Moore |
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![]() "Bob Moore" wrote in message I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. WHATTT.... No way! You can use a tree as a waypoint as long as it can be identified from the airplane in flight. Maybe you failed because you could not identify the "grass" field as a waypoint, not because it was a "private" field. Specifically, the DE knew the owner of the private field. There was an airstrip that was UNMARKED across a little creek from a field. My instructor and I incorrectly assumed that the paved strip was the private airfield on the section. It turns out otherwise; the actual airstrip was simply a field; when the farmer wanted to fly, he put up his windsock and mowed himself a runway in the appropriate direction. Because I misidentified the airport by thinking the strip across the street was [whatever the private field was called], he busted me. -c |
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"gatt" wrote in message
... [...] Because I misidentified the airport by thinking the strip across the street was [whatever the private field was called], he busted me. Well, to be fair, that's different than you first described it. You failed your checkride because you misidentified a waypoint. Not "because [you] used a private field as a waypoint". You just as easily could have misidentified a public airport, or you could have passed your checkride had you correctly identified the private airport. The choice of a waypoint you had difficulty identifying might have led to the bust, but the mere choice of a private field didn't directly lead to failing the checkride. It's a good lesson though: waypoints should be easily identifiable. Two similar airports right next to each other would not qualify. For sure, if you ARE going to use an airport as a waypoint, you need to learn enough about the airport to know whether you are looking at it or not when you arrive. Including knowing whether it's paved or not. ![]() Sounds like a fair bust to me. I'll bet you learned your lesson from that though, and I'll bet there are some pilots who passed their checkride on the first try who still need to learn that lesson. Pete |
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Peter Duniho wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message ... [...] Because I misidentified the airport by thinking the strip across the street was [whatever the private field was called], he busted me. Well, to be fair, that's different than you first described it. You failed your checkride because you misidentified a waypoint. Not "because [you] used a private field as a waypoint". Hmm. I don't see it quite this way. He called the waypoint the wrong thing, but that's not a lot different than the "onion fields" north of CDW that might in fact be tomatoe, grapes, or who knows what else. He should have called it "road across street from farm with transient runway", I suppose, but if he did spot the road, does it matter what it was called? - Andrew |
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![]() "Peter Duniho" wrote in message Well, to be fair, that's different than you first described it. You failed your checkride because you misidentified a waypoint. Not "because [you] used a private field as a waypoint". Sort of. Specifically, he told me not to use a private field as a waypoint. Whether it or the other is what he based the failure on, I don't really know. Went I went back for the retest, I used a VOR intersection and that settled it. In fact, we didn't even go all the way to the waypoint. Sounds like a fair bust to me. I agree. My instructor didn't. That's when I discovered I was his first student since he graduated from flight school, so I think it hurt his pride a little, and embarrassed him because he approved of a checkpoint that the examiner didn't. -c |
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gatt wrote :
I failed my Private because I used a private field as a waypoint in my cross-country plan. Eh? There is no requirement for a waypoint, other than it had better be something you can identify enroute. There has to be more to this story. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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