What is Southwest airlines Nuts ?

The vast majority of corporate level flying is now done by middle level
managers.

Well...I guess. My mother-in-law is a vice pres (one of many) at the largest
bank in the country....they stick her on airline flights left and right.
It used to be that she flew in G-IV, but that ended about 7 years ago. The only
people that see the inside of a corp. jet are the CEO and his cronies.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

"Ditch" wrote in message
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The vast majority of corporate level flying is now done by middle level
managers.

Well...I guess. My mother-in-law is a vice pres (one of many) at the
largest
bank in the country....they stick her on airline flights left and right.
It used to be that she flew in G-IV, but that ended about 7 years ago. The
only
people that see the inside of a corp. jet are the CEO and his cronies.

Outrageous misuse of a valuable business tool.

Dan Luke wrote:
"C J Campbell" wrote:
I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at
all
anymore.

??

What's the alternative for most of them?
snip

A lot of them are reevaluating the need to travel at all. In the IT
world, audio/video conferencing and remote access has become an
attractive alternative to travelling in the TSA controlled, commercial
airline environment. It has become such a hassle, that it is no longer
convenient or cost effective.

I'm not surprised at the number of airlines that are in or facing
bankruptcy these days. Their product has changed from something that
was a convenient way to generate business in remote locations, to
something that is dreaded and considered a last resort.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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I'm not surprised at the number of airlines that are in or facing
bankruptcy these days. Their product has changed from something that
was a convenient way to generate business in remote locations, to
something that is dreaded and considered a last resort.

That is really what it comes down to, isn't it?

I read an article recently that most business travelers that used to fly on
trips
of 300 miles or less, now drive. This is where being a pilot really pays
off.
I've flown myself on trips like this(and longer) where other guys have
driven.
Can't blame them. After driving to the airport, getting there 2 hours early
for
security, praying your flight leaves on time(or at all), it's easier to
drive.



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"569" wrote in message
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That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them.
It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest
caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is one
of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

Southwest is the most profitable, but although some other airlines have
tried to copy them, they have so far not been nearly as successful.

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

I thought the same thing about driving from NY to Virginia on biz. Then I
got caught in the Wash DC Beltway traffic... NYC traffic pales in
comparison. Next time I fly.

Marco Leon


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message:

Can't blame them. After driving to the airport, getting there 2 hours
early
for
security, praying your flight leaves on time(or at all), it's easier to
drive.



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"569" wrote in message
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That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year
for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them.
It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest
caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is
one
of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is
the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

Southwest is the most profitable, but although some other airlines have
tried to copy them, they have so far not been nearly as successful.

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

True, but this is where flying yourself really pays off. NY - VA would
be a nice quick trip flying yourself. I have a friend in the Boston area
who flies to DC area every week. Before he bought his Bonanza he was
flying down there on the airlines. The flight on the airlines is only an
hour
to DC from Boston, but when he factored in the drive to the airport, getting
there early for security, etc.., he could get there faster in his own plane.
Now he drives 10 minutes from his house to the airport where the plane
is hangared, lands at JYO(Leesburg, VA) and grabs a rental car. To me this
is the perfect way to use GA for business travel. His company loves it
too....
they don't have to shell out $600 for the airline tickets. g



"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
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I thought the same thing about driving from NY to Virginia on biz. Then I
got caught in the Wash DC Beltway traffic... NYC traffic pales in
comparison. Next time I fly.

Marco Leon


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message:

Can't blame them. After driving to the airport, getting there 2 hours
early
for
security, praying your flight leaves on time(or at all), it's easier to
drive.



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

"C J Campbell" wrote in
message
...

"569" wrote in message
oups.com...
That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year
for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them.
It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest
caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is
one
of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is
the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

Southwest is the most profitable, but although some other airlines have
tried to copy them, they have so far not been nearly as successful.

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

In article xfgAd.716149$mD.426940@attbi_s02,
"Peter MacPherson" wrote:

is the perfect way to use GA for business travel. His company loves it
too....
they don't have to shell out $600 for the airline tickets. g

the shuttle from KBOS to KDCA is substantially less than that.
Last I time I took the shuttle, it was $341.50.

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

I know--it's perfect. My company has a little clause in their travel policy
about using private aircraft for business only when another commercial pilot
is flying. It obviously was not written by a pilot! I'll just have to claim
regular automobile mileage reimbursement instead of listing aircraft-related
expenses. They shouldn't care how I get there. I couldn't do it last time
because my family came down and visited relatives in VA therefore needing a
car to get back to NY earlier than me.

My trip should be a little longer in my Warrior than your friend's
Bonanza...but who cares!

Marco Leon

"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news:xfgAd.716149$mD.426940@attbi_s02...
True, but this is where flying yourself really pays off. NY - VA would
be a nice quick trip flying yourself. I have a friend in the Boston area
who flies to DC area every week. Before he bought his Bonanza he was
flying down there on the airlines. The flight on the airlines is only an
hour
to DC from Boston, but when he factored in the drive to the airport,
getting
there early for security, etc.., he could get there faster in his own
plane.
Now he drives 10 minutes from his house to the airport where the plane
is hangared, lands at JYO(Leesburg, VA) and grabs a rental car. To me this
is the perfect way to use GA for business travel. His company loves it
too....
they don't have to shell out $600 for the airline tickets. g



"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...
I thought the same thing about driving from NY to Virginia on biz. Then I
got caught in the Wash DC Beltway traffic... NYC traffic pales in
comparison. Next time I fly.

Marco Leon


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message:

Can't blame them. After driving to the airport, getting there 2 hours
early
for
security, praying your flight leaves on time(or at all), it's easier to
drive.



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

"C J Campbell" wrote in
message
...

"569" wrote in message
oups.com...
That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year
for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them.
It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest
caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is
one
of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is
the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

Southwest is the most profitable, but although some other airlines
have
tried to copy them, they have so far not been nearly as successful.

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

C J Campbell wrote:

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

A few years ago, my job took me to Atlanta frequently, so we'll take that as an
example. A flight from Newark to Atlanta takes about 4.5 hours from my door to
the hotel near BellSouth headquarters (flight time about 2 hours 15 minutes). If
I were stupid enough to drive it, we're talking about 18 hours at 5-10 mph over
the speed limit. Even that would beat Amtrak.

And "conference calls" will not do the job in many cases. We would've lost a 50
mil contract if I couldn't have been face to face with the subject matter
experts on one occasion (our competition *was* face to face with them).

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.