Why did this helicopter crash ?

How long have you been studying helicopters? Five minutes? Saying as
you did above that "lowering the collective wouldn't do anything for
the tail rotor action" speaks volumes of your obvious lack of even the
basics of flying helis.

Oh yeah? Well explain to me how lowering the collective without reducing
power would affect the effect (action) of the tail and improve matters in
the scenrio. If anything, lowering collective would result in a reduced load
on the rotor system and an INCREASE in rotor speed and a corresponding
increase in tail rotor speed, which as you'll recal is no longer
controllable, so the net result would be in increase in yaw rate. Lowering
collective alone would NOT do anything for the uncontrolled yaw which our
intrepid pilot was encountering.

BEAVIS,
YOUR ABOVE POST IS SO WRONG AND MISGUIDED THAT I WON'T BOTHER
RESPONDING TO YOU ANY FURTHER AFTER THIS ONE. BUT DO YOURSELF ONE
FAVOR BEFORE YOU AGAIN MAKE AN IDIOT OUT OF YOURSELF HE
ASK ANY HELICOPTER PILOT WHO FLYS A SHIP THAT HAS A COUNTER-CLOCKWISE
ROTATION MAIN ROTOR WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER COLLECTIVE? HINT: YOU
GET A NICE YAW TO THE LEFT SINCE YOU ARE TAKING TORQUE/POWER OUT OF
THE SYSTEM AND SO YOU NEED TO APPLY RIGHT PEDAL. THAT RIGHT PEDAL
TAKES THE PITCH/THRUST OUT OF THE TAIL ROTOR.
WHEN YOU LOWER COLLECTIVE YOU ARE REDUCING POWER, MORON. STOP THINKING
THAT POWER IS ONLY REDUCED BY REDUCING ROTOR SPEED. GO STUDY JUST A
BIT.
ONE MORE THING, THE FIRST THING MOST PILOT OPERATING HANDBOOKS STATE
IS THAT IN THE EVENT OF LOSS OF TAIL ROTOR EFFECTIVENESS IN FLIGHT THE
FIRST THING THE PILOT SHOULD DO IS LOWER COLLECTIVE.
YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE ALGEBRA WITH A MATH PRO WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY
DON'T KNOW WHAT 2 PLUS 2 EQUALS.
GO BACK TO YOUR TOYS.
REGARDS,
MARK
PS
HOW MANY PIC HOURS DO YOU HAVE IN HELICOPERS? I'D GUESS ZERO. NO WAIT,
I'D GUARANTEE THAT YOU HAVE ZERO. He he

helicopterandy wrote:

GO BACK TO YOUR TOYS.
REGARDS,
MARK

To the Group......... Yunno folks I've been lurking in this group for a
number of years now, posting under various names now and again.

Like most in this group I try to keep a civil tongue in my head and
since I'm only an armchair pilot I sure wouldn't try to argue
technicalities of flight, etc.

I'm basically a knife and forker, a gladhander, who does what he can to
promote a little chitchat, I pat people on the back for their
accomplishments, and achievements.... blah blah blah blah blah.

But yunno folks I just gotta say it..... In the years that I've been in
this group I don't believe I have ever seen anyone like Mark who has
just shown up in this group as a relative newcomer who has had such
a chip on their shoulders.

Mark I don't know what your problem is but Beavis has been a somewhat
regular in this group for some years and you are the first person to my
knowledge who has publicly attacked him, just like your the only person
who has attacked Kevin, who is doing nothing more than sharing his
experiences as a student, which for one, I am personally gratefull for
his efforts.

You post IN ALL CAPS and have been told at least once that doing so is
considered boorish, and bad manners (netiquette), but that doesn't seem
to sink in or make a difference to you.

So before this goes too far, why don't you come back to this group and
tell all of us specifically what it is that you personally are looking
for in this group. What do you expect to get out of it, and what are
you willing to contribute.

So far if appears that your are spoiling for a fight with whoever is
handy, and with all due respect ( in my personal opinion ) you are not
going to make friends, or gain the respect of too many people if you
continue to carry on the way you are doing.

helicopterandy wrote:

BEAVIS,
YOUR ABOVE POST IS SO WRONG AND MISGUIDED THAT I WON'T BOTHER
RESPONDING TO YOU ANY FURTHER AFTER THIS ONE. BUT DO YOURSELF ONE

(snip)

You are full of it.

Before you go off the hook, please understand that I mean you no
disrespect, yet.

Don't yell. Typing in all caps is deafening.

Don't say something is wrong and misguided and idiotic without giving an
immediate explanation.

From what I am able to gather from your post, you don't acknowledge the
fact that the rudder pedals are useless. In model helicopter terms, the
left and right rudder are useless. In 'real' helicopter terms, again
the rudder pedals are useless...

What exactly is your problem with his statement? Please state it civilly.


Max of Mad
--
Leave a tone after the message

"helicopterandy" wrote in message
om...
How long have you been studying helicopters? Five minutes? Saying as
you did above that "lowering the collective wouldn't do anything for
the tail rotor action" speaks volumes of your obvious lack of even the
basics of flying helis.

Oh yeah? Well explain to me how lowering the collective without reducing
power would affect the effect (action) of the tail and improve matters
in
the scenrio. If anything, lowering collective would result in a reduced
load
on the rotor system and an INCREASE in rotor speed and a corresponding
increase in tail rotor speed, which as you'll recal is no longer
controllable, so the net result would be in increase in yaw rate.
Lowering
collective alone would NOT do anything for the uncontrolled yaw which
our
intrepid pilot was encountering.

BEAVIS,

Is there REALLY any need to shout?

YOUR ABOVE POST IS SO WRONG AND MISGUIDED THAT I WON'T BOTHER
RESPONDING TO YOU ANY FURTHER AFTER THIS ONE.

Your choice.

BUT DO YOURSELF ONE
FAVOR BEFORE YOU AGAIN MAKE AN IDIOT OUT OF YOURSELF HE
ASK ANY HELICOPTER PILOT WHO FLYS A SHIP THAT HAS A COUNTER-CLOCKWISE
ROTATION MAIN ROTOR WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER COLLECTIVE? HINT: YOU
GET A NICE YAW TO THE LEFT SINCE YOU ARE TAKING TORQUE/POWER OUT OF
THE SYSTEM

Yes, pretty obvious.

AND SO YOU NEED TO APPLY RIGHT PEDAL.

Yes.... and your point is?

THAT RIGHT PEDAL
TAKES THE PITCH/THRUST OUT OF THE TAIL ROTOR.


The pilot in the original scenario already had the tail rotor thrust taken
out by the failure. He could've pedaled from now 'til eternity and nothing
would change.

WHEN YOU LOWER COLLECTIVE YOU ARE REDUCING POWER,

You are if you also either roll off throttle or the governor does it for
you. Otherwise.....

MORON.

Oh dear... name calling at this early stage? Makes you look somewhat
immature don't you think?

STOP THINKING
THAT POWER IS ONLY REDUCED BY REDUCING ROTOR SPEED.

I don't remember mentioning rotor speed, in fact I know I didn't, so if
you're going to argue, a least argue with something I said... Power is
reduced by reducing power.

GO STUDY JUST A
BIT.
ONE MORE THING, THE FIRST THING MOST PILOT OPERATING HANDBOOKS STATE
IS THAT IN THE EVENT OF LOSS OF TAIL ROTOR EFFECTIVENESS IN FLIGHT THE
FIRST THING THE PILOT SHOULD DO IS LOWER COLLECTIVE.


Is that "MOST" or "ALL"?

YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE ALGEBRA WITH A MATH PRO WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY
DON'T KNOW WHAT 2 PLUS 2 EQUALS.
GO BACK TO YOUR TOYS.

Oh, now I'm hurt bady.

REGARDS,
MARK
PS
HOW MANY PIC HOURS DO YOU HAVE IN HELICOPERS? I'D GUESS ZERO. NO WAIT,
I'D GUARANTEE THAT YOU HAVE ZERO. He he

Do you think I actually CARE what you "guarantee"?


--
Beav


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