Why is Soaring declining

(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com...

Soaring may indeed have many problems, but it's inability to satisfy a
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopath is not one of them. Unless
you think the future of the sport lies in attracting large numbers of
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopaths, in which case Lennie's
rambling thoughts are pure gold.

Thank you very much for your insightful, but as always, useless
comments, liam. You make it so much easier for me to continue to place
you with the class of simians that spawned your worthless ass. Most
krauts aren't very smart, and I think they kicked you to southern
queerville for being more stupid than most.
(The second son of a [typically] drunken german forgets nothing and
forgives less. Remember that, kraut.)

Please don't misconstrue these remarks to mean I have anything against
attracting mildly retarded pilots into soaring. Quite to the
contrary, without them who would buy all the second hand PW-5's and
Russia's? No, it's just the one's who are also sociopaths that I
think we could do without.


(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com...
Soaring may indeed have many problems, but it's inability to satisfy a
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopath is not one of them. Unless
you think the future of the sport lies in attracting large numbers of
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopaths, in which case Lennie's
rambling thoughts are pure gold.

(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com...
Please don't misconstrue these remarks to mean I have anything against
attracting mildly retarded pilots into soaring.

It's a good thing, liam the lemming. It's the only way you would ever
be accepted into any group.

Admit it - you have to be a little mental to wear strange hats, and spend hours
making circles in the sky going nowhere, landing out , getting sunburned and
dehydrated - eventually dragging your exhausted body home long after dark - and
claim this is recreation, and fun.

Works for me, but I know any number who are convinced we are all barking mad...

Liam Finley wrote:
Please don't misconstrue these remarks to mean I have anything against
attracting mildly retarded pilots into soaring. Quite to the
contrary, without them who would buy all the second hand PW-5's and
Russia's? No, it's just the one's who are also sociopaths that I
think we could do without.


(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com...

Soaring may indeed have many problems, but it's inability to satisfy a
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopath is not one of them. Unless
you think the future of the sport lies in attracting large numbers of
mildly retarded lathe-obsessed sociopaths, in which case Lennie's
rambling thoughts are pure gold.

Liam Finley wrote:
Please don't misconstrue these remarks to mean I have anything against
attracting mildly retarded pilots into soaring. Quite to the
contrary, without them who would buy all the second hand PW-5's and
Russia's?

Hey, who are you calling MILDLY retarded? I do everything
100%... :P

I've decided one small, good way to help get more interest is
to get post-solo/pre-license students to fly as often as possible
with licensed pilots. Split the cost, have the licensed pilot do
all the flying from the backseat, and stay up a long time.

Cheaper than dual, a challenge for the pilot trying to fly from the rear
seat, and educational for the front seater/student. Also a great way
to learn how to split duties (radio/traffic vs. stick fiddling).

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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA

Eric,
Lennie's posts may have some value to you but please don't put us all in the
same category.
I have successfully excluded him from my allowed list and I wish that anyone
replying to Lennie not quote
his post in your reply.

Please....

Thanks,

Allan





We don't have to understand it to realize his comments have value to us.
Most people that are disappointed with soaring just leave and we never
learn why. Some of the responses to Lennie's comments certainly illustrate
what he is talking about, and I'm beginning to think it's more of a
problem than I realized. It's not soaring's only problem, probably not
even it's worst problem, but it seems such a shame that it is a problem at
all.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

ADP wrote:
Eric,
Lennie's posts may have some value to you but please don't put us all in the
same category.

I'm not aware of putting you in any category, but at least tell me what
category you think I put you in: the "same one as Lennie", or in the
category of "people who think Lennie's posts may have some value"? Or
something else?

I have successfully excluded him from my allowed list and I wish that anyone
replying to Lennie not quote
his post in your reply.

You are suggesting we not quote Lennie when we reply to him? I hope
that's not what you are asking, because I always quote the person I'm
replying for the usual reasons.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

The category to which I was referring was (the one or two people who may
think that Lennie's posts have some value.)

And yes, I was suggesting that you do not quote Lennie because to read you I
will have to read him and that I will not do.

In addition, now that we are discussing posts, please put your response at
the front (on top) of your reply and that way
we won't have to read the previous post unless we want to. This is standard
newsgroup etiquette.

Allan

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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ADP wrote:
Eric,
Lennie's posts may have some value to you but please don't put us all in
the same category.

I'm not aware of putting you in any category, but at least tell me what
category you think I put you in: the "same one as Lennie", or in the
category of "people who think Lennie's posts may have some value"? Or
something else?

I have successfully excluded him from my allowed list and I wish that
anyone replying to Lennie not quote
his post in your reply.

You are suggesting we not quote Lennie when we reply to him? I hope that's
not what you are asking, because I always quote the person I'm replying
for the usual reasons.

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change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Eric Greenwell wrote in message ...


You are suggesting we not quote Lennie when we reply to him? I hope
that's not what you are asking, because I always quote the person I'm
replying for the usual reasons.

It doesn't matter, Eric. It's worked out well for both Wayne and
myself this time, His plane might be a little more convenient, and in
the same breath, the safety inproved some miniscule amount, and I have
a reason to play with my toys. I will return to the practice I have
followed for the last six months or so, in case nobody noticed, that
of reading the first 25 headers maybe once every couple of weeks.

However, for the benefit of HP owners, if you might possibly be
interested in the unit I've developed, when I am finished with the one
for Wayne, and have updated my drawings, this will be the last one I
will make, I'm burned out. For some short time I will be able to
send, if you request and send me one lousy buck, (I'm not gonna pay
the postage too) I can send a full set of the drawings, which you can
take to your local friendly machine shop and have one made. Be
forwarned I have already quoted it out at a normal shop rate, $65 per
hour, and between 16 to 20 hours, plus materials. I have made five of
them, each one being an improvement over the one before, and it's time
to move on to something else.

Eric Greenwell wrote:
Ben Flewett wrote:

Lennie,

Given that you have quit gliding, why don't you quit
'contributing' to this site? I don't understand why
you persist in partaking of discussions on a subject
you are no longer interested in.


We don't have to understand it to realize his comments have value to us.
Most people that are disappointed with soaring just leave and we never
learn why. Some of the responses to Lennie's comments certainly
illustrate what he is talking about, and I'm beginning to think it's
more of a problem than I realized. It's not soaring's only problem,
probably not even it's worst problem, but it seems such a shame that it
is a problem at all.

It is a sad fact that the more people involved the higher the likelyhood of
meeting someone completely incompatible with you. Note I did not say or imply
any derogatory label.

So we have a problem in that soaring clubs tend to have very similar people
involved, in the nature of the sport most are individualists, many are above
average income and inevitably many are competitive.

Result is that many clubs tend to develop a "mine's bigger than yours" attitude,
or other strange social habits. the only advice I can give is that you should
remember that tribalism is still very evident in most human activities,
including soaring. Be careful what tribe you join.

Personally I have found two clubs where the friendship and shared learning is
great. Both clubs concentrate on fun flying rather than competition, and a good
family experience as far a possible. We seem to manage a number of soaring
families where husband and wife and eventually kids fly. It is not impossible,
just takes some work and allowing for differences. That said there are still
people in each club who do not get on, we just dont let them get out of hand. If
people can't remember curtesy and respect they get shown the door. I know of at
least one who is convinced we are all jerks. C'est la vie - apparently he fits
right in at a neighbouring town's club. That is good because he is still
soaring, and now enjoying the company.