CompaqAero-SNAV-Winpilot/CUMobile?

Hi,

It is my understanding that Glide Navigator II is the only flight software
that can upload tasks and waypoints and download flight logs from the
GPS-NAV.

On second thought, pocket*StrePla can do all those things as well. Also, a
new product called pocket*StrePla Connect can also do all those things. It
is a new utility that is included with pocket*StrePla but can also be
purchased seperately. I'll be adding it to my StrePla pages today. It is
nice because it can upload tasks and download flight logs from a wide
variety of flight computers and flight recorders.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com


"Tony Verhulst" wrote in message
...
Eric Greenwell wrote:
.... There are other PDA based programs
(300utility for the Cambridge 302, for instance) that will download
the flight log to the PDA.

How do you get the 302 utility to download a model 20 trace? I've tried,
and it didn't work. Or is there one specifically for the 20?

I assumed that other products would have their own utilities for down
loading flight logs. If this is not the case, then the GN II ability to
download files is very important.

Tony

* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving map adds very little

I politely disagree. If you get low, it's REALLY nice to see, at a
glance, all the fields within reach. This was my prime reason for going
with a moving map (GN II).

Tony V.

Tony Verhulst wrote:

* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving map adds very
little


I politely disagree. If you get low, it's REALLY nice to see, at a
glance, all the fields within reach. This was my prime reason for going
with a moving map (GN II).

Perhaps we interpret "very familiar with the area" differently. I've
flown out of my airport for 25 years, and know where I'm going to go as
I get low when I'm within 60-70 miles of the airport. It's slightly
easier to select the field by tapping on the GN II screen, but I can get
it off the GPS Nav display almost as quickly using the sorted by
distance list. Ditto for the contest area I usually fly in.

If you can't do that, then a moving map is very useful, and that's why I
always use one when I fly out of my home area; however, we all know
pilots that zip between the same 10-20 airports all summer, and these
folks won't improve their flying experience much at all with a moving map.

Still, they might enjoy using one, and maybe it would tempt them to
explore a bit.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Tony Verhulst wrote:


* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving map adds very
little


I politely disagree. If you get low, it's REALLY nice to see, at a
glance, all the fields within reach. This was my prime reason for going
with a moving map (GN II).

It's also nice to see what fields you can reach even when you are HIGH!
The moving map does this quite well, making it easier for me decide
where I want to go.


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Any XCSoar users want to chime in?





At 20:48 04 October 2004, Jim Kelly wrote:

One more consideration: your subject line refers to
'Compaq
Aero.' If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series
that a
lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou
Mobile
will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome

displays).


Many have noted here that your display may work better
in
sunlight than any of the more recent colour displays,
which can
often be difficult to read in flight. However, if you
needed more
cpu speed and bought a new gadget chances are that
you could turn
off some of the clutter and increase font size (thus
making it
easier to read) with an arguably better overall result.

jk

I think Paul R gives good advice and I also am a Cambridge Dealer but
think the GPSNAV Display and the later 303 display (in same case) are
great for pilots that want a simple and easy to use system and it is
simply not right to sell a customer a system beyond their ability.
Last week I was at Queensland Comps (over 50 gliders I might add and
FAI Australian Nationals at Dalby Q this and next week also over 50
gliders) and was talking just before the flight to a friend in his
seventees and flys their group Duo Discus. All Dennis wanted to know
in the front seat was how to find the next turn point and possibly the
last point and it was all too hard to explain the new back seat pilot
the 3950 - all they both wanted was how to use the 303. Information
overload was not what either pilot wanted and make no mistake Dennis
is a very good crosscountry pilot. The other consideration is how good
are your eyes - GPSNAV and 303 are easy to read when compared to most
HP/ iPaq. I have fitted out many of the newer generation club two
seaters and I always have them with dual GPSNAVS or 303s. I believe
in the KISS principle and will not change. I do admit airspace is not
a problem in Australia and this is one of the reasons given for a
Pocket PC and if you need a map display then use a Garmin!!!. I do not
believe the pocket PC is really necessary for the POST etc - The maths
is no problem but I do think seeking out the 7kt thermals rather than
working the 5kt thermals is by far more important to the bottom line
speed!!!...........Ian McPhee, Byron Bay, Australia.

PS Besides software needed never use a Pocket PC in a Cambridge box
unless the power mod is done (Pin8 on the D9 connector should be 5v
and not 12 volt) and always use a charged Pocket PC linked to a
Cambridge box otherwise there could be problems as the Cambridge only
supplies top up current not full charge current at 5 volts)


Stewart Kissel wrote in message ...
Any XCSoar users want to chime in?





At 20:48 04 October 2004, Jim Kelly wrote:

One more consideration: your subject line refers to
'Compaq
Aero.' If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series
that a
lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou
Mobile
will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome

displays).


Many have noted here that your display may work better
in
sunlight than any of the more recent colour displays,
which can
often be difficult to read in flight. However, if you
needed more
cpu speed and bought a new gadget chances are that
you could turn
off some of the clutter and increase font size (thus
making it
easier to read) with an arguably better overall result.

jk

Stewart Kissel wrote in message ...
Any XCSoar users want to chime in?

I don't use XCSoar, but Soaringpilot on the Palm system. The most
useful feature on the moving map is the line to your next turnpoint
(or home on final glide). A glance tells you if you are flying in the
right direction and which way to turn - especially after thermalling,
which can be a little disorientating. What is also especially useful
is the thermal zoom feature. As one starts themalling, the map
automatically zooms to .9km radius. If one looses the core of the
thermal - the last ~80 seconds of track is shown and it is easy to
return to the core. The program does not feature a colour map - just
waypoints and SUA (airspace - with warnings). It is easy to use and
all the necessary information is clearly shown (even in bright
sunshine as the program runs very well on the older monochrome Palms).
The final glide computations compare very well with the LX5000 in my
glider. I get the macready setting for my LX5000 from Soaringpilot -
and the wind calculations look very accurate. The program is free and
is continually being upgraded. The money one saves on the software can
easily cover the cost of a basic Palm and thus one can have a
dedicated computer just for soaring. The program has all the normal
logging features and various statistics are available directly after
the flight. The igc file is easy to extract and view using See-you
etc.

Any computer must make cockpit workload less, and not be a distraction
to flying. Soaringpilot's easy to view and use interface is a real
asset and does not distract one from looking outside and seeing the
real moving map below the glider.

Clinton
LAK 12

Keep the replies coming...I find this most helpful..

I still am considering my options, since I don't race...and
I have the SNAV and GPSNAV Node for display....it seems
to me the biggest feature I may gain is moving map.

Unless I am missing something.



At 20:30 05 October 2004, Tony Verhulst wrote:

With GN you can download your flight to the PDA.....

Yes, but is this really important? There are other
PDA based programs
(300utility for the Cambridge 302, for instance) that
will download the
flight log to the PDA.

Tony V. LS6-b '6N'

Surely if you get that low it is perhaps wise to look
out of the window at the life sized map just below
you!

Dave M

At 22:54 05 October 2004, Tony Verhulst wrote:

* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving
map adds very little

I politely disagree. If you get low, it's REALLY nice
to see, at a
glance, all the fields within reach. This was my prime
reason for going
with a moving map (GN II).

Tony V.

* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving
map adds very little

I politely disagree. If you get low, it's REALLY nice
to see, at a
glance, all the fields within reach. This was my prime
reason for going
with a moving map (GN II).

I agree. In the ongoing analog vs. digital debate, it's undeniable
that a quick glance at a moving map (e.g., Glide Navigator II) with
all the landing fields in your vicinity displayed with little circles
around the ones you can glide to (net of the wind, MacCready setting,
and arrival height margin) is much better than pulling up and reading
a sorted list. At least for me, that's a very useful feature even when
flying within my local area.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"