USA - All students must show "papers"

There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.

wrote in message roups.com...
There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.

It appears that many of you have not read the new rules. As a CFI, if
the worst that I have to do is check someones birth certificate, I
expect I can live with that. If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....It will be worth it. I also
suspect that many of those who say it infringes on their civil
liberties would be the first to ask why more wasn't done to gaurd
against suicide pilots, should something happen in the future with a
light airplane.

Bernie VR

Bernie Lewis wrote:
If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....

Rag head?

Marc Ramsey writes:

Bernie Lewis wrote:
If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....

Rag head?

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Bernie Lewis wrote:
wrote in message roups.com...

There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.

It appears that many of you have not read the new rules. As a CFI, if
the worst that I have to do is check someones birth certificate, I
expect I can live with that. If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....It will be worth it. I also

Abolishing general aviation completely would accomplish that.

Pass a law to force all privately owned light aircraft in any
shape or form to be handed in to the authorities for destruction
within the next six months. No exceptions. Including of course
microlights, gliders, hang-gliders, balloons etc.

Yes, that would keep probably more than one potential terrorist
from making the attempt.

Worth it ? You tell me.

CV

PS. As the next step in the program we could do away with aviation
altogether. Mankind survived for thousands of years without it.

"Bernie Lewis" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
roups.com...
There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.

It appears that many of you have not read the new rules. As a CFI, if
the worst that I have to do is check someones birth certificate, I
expect I can live with that. If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....It will be worth it. I also
suspect that many of those who say it infringes on their civil
liberties would be the first to ask why more wasn't done to gaurd
against suicide pilots, should something happen in the future with a
light airplane.

Bernie VR

That's right. Just think if some foreign terrorist like Timothy McVeigh,
Terry Nichols, Ted Kazenski (Yea I probably spelled the names wrong) had
been able to get ahold of an airplane. This is sure to stop those kinds of
people....


Jim

against suicide pilots, should something happen in the future with a
light airplane.

Bernie VR

That's right. Just think if some foreign terrorist like Timothy McVeigh,
Terry Nichols, Ted Kazenski (Yea I probably spelled the names wrong) had
been able to get ahold of an airplane. This is sure to stop those kinds of
people....

Whoaaa....you up and dun it now! George W is gonna get you now. He's gonna
stay the course, he's got nuclar wepons, and he's gonna get terrists like you.



Jim Vincent
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Bernie Lewis wrote:
wrote in message roups.com...

There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.


It appears that many of you have not read the new rules. As a CFI, if
the worst that I have to do is check someones birth certificate, I
expect I can live with that. If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....It will be worth it.

And if it doesn't, is it still worth it?


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USA

(Bernie Lewis) wrote in message . com...
wrote in message roups.com...
There's probably an exemption if you can prove you're related to the
Saudi royal family.

It appears that many of you have not read the new rules. As a CFI, if
the worst that I have to do is check someones birth certificate, I
expect I can live with that. If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....It will be worth it. I also
suspect that many of those who say it infringes on their civil
liberties would be the first to ask why more wasn't done to gaurd
against suicide pilots, should something happen in the future with a
light airplane.

Bernie VR

Bernie,

It appears that you have not read the rules. I have broken it up into
two sections, "if you never teach a foreign person", and "if a foreign
person wants training". Note that the former section is longer than
the latter, that is, most of the work needs to be done whether or not
you ever see a foreign student.

You have to keep records of ALL applicants for five years, retain
records of security training, and if your paperwork fails the audit,
you are subject to enforcement action, who knows what penalty you are
liable for.

Sure makes me want to go get my CFIG.
John

"if you never teach a foreign person"
From http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html:
Flight schools and freelance flight instructors:
o Determine whether an individual is an U.S. citizen.
o Retain applicant information and TSA approval records for
five years.
o The records are subject to TSA audit.
* Flight schools and freelance flight instructors, regardless of
whether they are training foreign students, must provide initial and
annual recurrent "security awareness training" for each flight school
employee that has a direct contact with a flight school student
(regardless of citizenship or nationality).
o Flight school employees must receive the initial security
awareness training by January 18, 2005. Employees hired after January
18, 2005 must receive the training within 60 days of being hired.
o Schools must maintain a record of such training for one
year after the employee leaves the school. Again, these records are
subject to TSA and FAA audit.
o TSA's initial online security awareness training program
will be available on October 30, 2004 at www.tsa.gov.
* Flight schools, including freelance flight instructors, that
fail to comply with the rule's requirements may be subject to
enforcement action.


"if a foreign person wants training"
o Register with TSA if providing training to foreign
students
o Notify TSA when a foreign applicant requests training
o Submit to TSA a photo of the foreign applicant after he or
she first arrives for training
o For recurrent training, the following must also be
submitted to TSA:
+ Foreign applicant's full name
+ TSA/DOJ identification number
+ Copy of foreign applicant's current, unexpired
passport and visa
+ Training details
+ Photo of the foreign applicant after he or she first
arrives for training
o Immediately terminate a foreign applicant's training if
informed by TSA the applicant poses a threat to aviation or national
security.
* Ground school and demonstration flights are exempt from the rule
and recurrent training is exempt from the fingerprints requirement.

Janusz wrote:
O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap... =
ROTFL!

It's great to see such supportive spirit for your homeland products
Janusz...I happen to fly a German built sailplane...and I think it's
excellent...prior to that I had an SZD-36 Cobra and loved it...it was
Polish...I've driven English cars, Italian cars, German cars they were all
neat to own...

While I appreciate your stance on supporting your countries goods...I don't
feel the same as you, that I have to mock other countries goods...or try to
put other people down simply because of a minor disagreement.

I do have alot of respect for the fact that Boeing pays for the development
of its aircraft themselves. They take all the risk. Capitalism at its
finest. I understand they are now offloading lots of work to Poland, as well
as the rest of the world...truly a global company.

Perhaps we can all agree that we should all be proud of our own countries
developments particularly with regard to soaring...and not in any way be
destructive as fellow pilots and friends.


Just a thought.


Steve.