USA - All students must show "papers"

Well,=20

Sorry if offended... Sometimes it just makes me nervous if I hear =
another man speaking of Poland as a country with b&w tv sets and queues =
in front of empty shops. Things have changed a lot, but lots of people =
didn't notice it at all. By the way, I believe it's Boeing who moves =
much more work to Poland than Airbus. The EADS production is marginal =
compared to all the stuff we make for Boeing. There was recently an =
order for some parts for upgrading the Navy's F-14s I heard.

Regards,


--=20
Janusz Kesik

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http://www.wroclaw.dolny.slask.pl
See Breslau (Wroclaw) in photography
From the XIX Century, through the 1945 Festung Breslau, to the photos =
taken today morning...

(Tom Serkowski) wrote in message om...

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

70 some years ago in a little republic about 4000 miles East of D.C.
they did similar things. But they had not yet heard of TLA's (Three
Letter Acronyms), just 2.

These are nothing but feel good measures that provide job
justification for a few and inconvience the many.

If they were really concerned about security why, when I got my ramp
pass and gate code, was I not asked to show - any - form of
identification.

Not that any of this matters anyway. If I were inclined to commit
mayhem I'd head to the local truck stop, not the airport.
=============================
Leon McAtee
"Just say no" in November

Nope, just the guy who runs the place I get my BFR
at


At 01:24 09 October 2004, Btiz wrote:
and Dave C is a TSA authority how?

'Stewart Kissel' wrote in
message ...
Tom-

Dave C. at Mile-Hi said an existing license counts...I
just called him.



At 18:00 08 October 2004, Tango4 wrote:
How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on
say a new 777? Do they
have to do it outside the borders of the US or do they
teach 'em in a sim
and let 'em loose on the real thing straight away?

:-J

Ian


'tango4' wrote in message
...
So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction?
Has that
killed all the flight schools offering cheaper flight
training for
European pilots?

What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before
taking a club or FBO
ship?

Talk about overkill!

Ian


'Tom Serkowski' wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to
recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship
to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI
allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction
in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL
naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my
certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also
asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing.
And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately
on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

At 03:48 09 October 2004, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Bernie Lewis wrote:
If it keeps ONE rag head from trying to
blow something up with an aircraft....

Rag head?


You know, a glider pilot wearing a terry cloth hat.
In other words, anyone outside my own culture.

Having read through the paper work and some of the
arguments, in the context of larger aircraft and pilot
training a small price to to pay for security. In this
context many of the checks seem common sense and any
self respecting training establishment should be taking
their own similar security steps.

When it comes to small aircraft especially gliders
then it appears heavy handed and ill thought out. The
politicians as usual not knowing their 8rse from their
elbow and shoving a cork up their 8rse to prevent diarrhoea.

For existing licence holders, the question that needs
answering is what is training. A pilot with existing
licences, permits call it what you will, undergoing
say and annual or a site check flight is not training.

The big worry is that once this practice becomes established
in the USA, then aviation round the world will follow.
This will place a large burden on our sport which may
see some of the establishments forced out of business.

I also suspect the glider movement would soon pick
out the new ASH25 owner filling his ballast tanks with
explosives then setting off into the wide blue yonder
to blow something up.

Another thread asks abut flying lawyers, what about
flying politicians.........!

Dave Martin wrote:
Another thread asks abut flying lawyers, what about
flying politicians.........!

Well, Kerry for one ...

CV wrote:

Dave Martin wrote:

Another thread asks abut flying lawyers, what about
flying politicians.........!


Well, Kerry for one ...

He's also a lawyer. Sounds scary, then I think about W at the stick.
Glad I didn't live in Texas back in his guard days (or now for FTM).

Shawn

Brent Sullivan, Libertarian candidate for US Congress, 18th Congressional
district of Texas.
Member of the Soaring Club of Houston. Mosquito owner; former PW5 owner.
Hope admitting that doesn't lose me the election!

"CV" wrote in message
...

Dave Martin wrote:
Another thread asks abut flying lawyers, what about
flying politicians.........!

Well, Kerry for one ...

Dave Martin wrote:

When it comes to small aircraft especially gliders
then it appears heavy handed and ill thought out. The
politicians as usual not knowing their 8rse from their
elbow and shoving a cork up their 8rse to prevent diarrhoea.

LOL! Yes. I'd like to see AOPA and maybe SSA petition for relief
for "light" aircraft. Perhaps Light Sport Aircraft?
Under the idea that with such a low weight and slow
speed they pose little threat.

Given the unregulation of hang gliders, this seems like
not much of a stretch...
--

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Mark J. Boyd

http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/airbus.html
Well don't be afraid to take a hard look at the tail-feathers
before you board one.







At 15:24 09 October 2004, Shawn wrote:
Pete Reinhart wrote:
That's 'Scarebus', Bubba.
Cheers!

Hehe! I stand (well sit) corrected.


'Shawn' wrote in message
...

Janusz Kesik wrote:

U¿ytkownik ADP w wiadomo¶ci do grup

dyskusyjnych ...

How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in
the air is beyond me.
It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft
on price
and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines
can't survive!

Allan


O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America
must be crap...

ROTFL!

No, no, not at all. I love my 'Skeeter. Just Air
Bust is crap :-)