USA - All students must show "papers"

Comments to the TSA Docket are being accepted through
October 20. Electronic submission at: http://dmses.dot.gov/submit/


Comments filed to date are available online through:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm
(Enter 19147 as the docket #)

The docket includes the following from SSA:

- Request for delayed implementation, for lack of means
to comply with the new rules & procedures ill-suited
to GA, particularly soaring

- Formal comments outlining rationale to amend the
new rules as applicable to GA, particularly soaring.
(There were inadvertently two copies of this posted...
one on letterhead and one without. Bodes well for my
'recordkeeping' skills, eh?)

- Petition for waiver from 49 USC 1552.

Judy

Judy Ruprecht wrote in message ...
Comments to the TSA Docket are being accepted through
October 20. Electronic submission at: http://dmses.dot.gov/submit/


Comments filed to date are available online through:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm
(Enter 19147 as the docket #)


Thanks for the links Judy. As a resident alien I'll be significantly
impacted by the rule and have submitted my comments.


Andy

Judy Ruprecht wrote in message ...
Snippage

Judy, when is the date it's proposed to go into effect? I still have
that hour coming, but thanks to the quacks, have absolutely no idea
when I'll be able to have a day without driving into suicide driver
city. (Milwaukee)

In the event you have trouble obtaining the requisite identification,
the enclosed link provides an excellent and approved alternative:

www.whitehouse.org/homeland/tattoo.asp

Chip Fitzpatrick

excellent and approved alternative:

www.whitehouse.org/homeland/tattoo.asp

Chip Fitzpatrick

Chip, is that to complement the micro chip encapsulated in your tongue ring
that you were showing off at the field last weekend?

Jim Vincent
N483SZ
illspam

Jim,

you weren't supposed to give that away; State Secret.

Chip



illspam (Jim Vincent) wrote in message ...
excellent and approved alternative:

www.whitehouse.org/homeland/tattoo.asp

Chip Fitzpatrick

Chip, is that to complement the micro chip encapsulated in your tongue ring
that you were showing off at the field last weekend?

Jim Vincent
N483SZ
illspam

As a "resident alien" this ruling strikes me as none to well thought
out. Interstingly, I assume (at least I hope) that when Immigration
issues a green card they do some verfication at the time. The card
also includes a photograph and a fingerprint. So, as far as I can
tell no new information is really being captured if agencies simply
talked to each other, but the flightschool (or rather our glider club)
is being made to jump through hoops with no added national security
and potentially a detrimental effect on flight safety if people are in
any way discouraged from taking additional or recurrent trainining.
Stunning.

I have filed a comment to the docket and encourage others
(particularily affected resident aliens) to do so also. Please, keep
them rational rather than emotional, but do file a comment.

P.S. This thing may take a while to work its way around to common
sense. So, if you need one within the next 3 months - absolutely do
it before the 20th lest you find yourself grounded waiting for your
instructor to receive 'TSA approval' to give you instruction (I really
hope I'm interpretting that wrongly).

(acrawford) wrote in message . com...
As a "resident alien" this ruling strikes me as none to well thought
out. Interstingly, I assume (at least I hope) that when Immigration
issues a green card they do some verfication at the time. The card
also includes a photograph and a fingerprint. So, as far as I can
tell no new information is really being captured if agencies simply
talked to each other, but the flightschool (or rather our glider club)
is being made to jump through hoops with no added national security
and potentially a detrimental effect on flight safety if people are in
any way discouraged from taking additional or recurrent trainining.
Stunning.


US resident aliens may be interest in this email exchange I just had
with AFSP


Me to AFSP:

Your FAQ page includes the following statement

"NOTE: At this time, U.S. citizens, nationals, and certain aliens are
not required to use the AFSP. If you have any questions regarding
qualification for the AFSP, contact your flight training provider."

I am a US resident alien living permanently in US. I have held an FAA
pilot certificate since 1979. Am I included in the "certain aliens
not required to use the AFSP". I contacted my local Glider Flight
School and they were not able to answer this question and had little
knowledge of the impact of the new rule on flight training.

Thank you for your assistance


Andrew Durbin


their reply:

Mr. Durbin,

Currently we do not have anyone who falls under that special class of
individuals. You are still subject to the rule, even though you are a
resident alien.

Regards,
AFSP HELP DESK

Andy Durbin wrote:
Mr. Durbin,

Currently we do not have anyone who falls under that special class of
individuals. You are still subject to the rule, even though you are a
resident alien.

Regards,
AFSP HELP DESK

The "special class of individuals" is no doubt being reserved for Saudi
nationals, when their government voices their objection to our fearless
leader...

Marc

Judy Ruprecht wrote in message ...
Comments to the TSA Docket are being accepted through
October 20. Electronic submission at: http://dmses.dot.gov/submit/


Comments filed to date are available online through:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm
(Enter 19147 as the docket #)

Judy


It's good to see that several regular contributors to RAS have posted
comments. However there have not been nearly enough. If you don't
think this rule affects you, you need to read it and think again.
Anyone that flies a glider in US, anyone that instructs in gliders in
US, every glider FBO in US, and every glider club that provides
instruction in US will be negatively affected by this rule. Some
instructors, some clubs, and some FBO may well cease to operate
because of this rule.

Read it and speak up before it's too late.

Andy