USA - All students must show "papers"

Some instructors, some clubs, and some FBO may well cease to operate
because of this rule.

Why? How great is the burden of photocopying documents provided by students?

"Roger Worden" wrote in message .com...
Some instructors, some clubs, and some FBO may well cease to operate
because of this rule.


Why? How great is the burden of photocopying documents provided by
students?



I agree Roger, how great indeed. We CFI's are currently required to
keep records of all instruction we give to each named individual.

LL

Bernie Lewis wrote:

I agree Roger, how great indeed. We CFI's are currently required to
keep records of all instruction we give to each named individual.

In all of these requirements, I've never before read of one
that required copying anything before this. All of my recordkeeping
requirements before this involved only a pen and paper.

And all of my students could begin flight training immediately, and
in the buff if they so desired.

Woulda been a great scene in "Team America," eh?
F**k Yeah!

Just my $1.05
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Mark J. Boyd

...We CFI's are currently required to
keep records of all instruction we give to each named individual.

In the U.S. instructors only need to maintain a record of test
recommendations, solo endorsements, and pre-solo written tests. During
my initial instructor exam the inspector asked me "are you required to
log each lesson given in your log book"? My answer was "No, but I think
it's a pretty good idea". The inspector responded with a vigorous nod of
the head.

See FAR 61.189

Tony V.

Tony Verhulst wrote:

In the U.S. instructors only need to maintain a record of test
recommendations, solo endorsements, and pre-solo written tests. During
my initial instructor exam the inspector asked me "are you required to
log each lesson given in your log book"? My answer was "No, but I think
it's a pretty good idea". The inspector responded with a vigorous nod of
the head.

See FAR 61.189

The CFI isn't required to log it in the CFI logbook,
but the CFI is required to log it in the student's logbook.

(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom
that instructor has given flight training or ground training.

I have a bunch of white labels (stickers) that I use, and
write out the entry with the pilot's name, and give it to them
to put in their logbook (if they didn't bring a logbook with
them). For brand new pilots, I give them a new logbook
(about $3 each as I get them in bulk).
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Mark J. Boyd

In the U.S. instructors only need to maintain a record of test
recommendations, solo endorsements, and pre-solo written tests....

The CFI isn't required to log it in the CFI logbook,
but the CFI is required to log it in the student's logbook.

Right, but I thought we were talking about the instructor keeping
records. The post that generated my response read:

...We CFI's are currently required to
keep records of all instruction we give to each named individual.

which is not true.

Tony V.

Roger Worden wrote:
Some instructors, some clubs, and some FBO may well cease to operate
because of this rule.

Why? How great is the burden of photocopying documents provided by students?

It's a bit deeper than that. About 10% of my students are (were)
resident aliens. Already one stopped training with me, decided
against buying an airplane because apparently he couldn't
be on the registration as a foriegn national, and now he has
returned to New Zealand.

Beyond that, I used to give away logbooks with a dual
entry to everyone I took on a "first ride." I had about 20-30%
success recruiting "walk-in" students this way. I don;t recall
any of these walk-ins having the ID the changes require on their
first "ride."

There's also a simple lack of confidence inspired. If I were
a resident alien, I would be very suspicious of the possibility
of future "improvements" to security, which may effectively
revoke my $5,000+ pilot's license.

Any freshman economics textbook dicusses the "velocity of money."
Essentially, it means that a 10% reduction in sales has an
amplified effect greater than 10%. This is the part about
the FBOs going out of business...

As if the proposed MOA and ATCAA near my own home gliderport weren't
enough to shut us down on it's own...
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Mark J. Boyd

In article ,
Judy Ruprecht wrote:
Comments to the TSA Docket are being accepted through
October 20. Electronic submission at: http://dmses.dot.gov/submit/


Comments filed to date are available online through:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm
(Enter 19147 as the docket #)

The docket includes the following from SSA:

- Request for delayed implementation, for lack of means
to comply with the new rules & procedures ill-suited
to GA, particularly soaring

- Formal comments outlining rationale to amend the
new rules as applicable to GA, particularly soaring.
(There were inadvertently two copies of this posted...
one on letterhead and one without. Bodes well for my
'recordkeeping' skills, eh?)

- Petition for waiver from 49 USC 1552.

Thanks Judy, my 2 cents went in.

Does anybody have a copy of the Simpson's episode
where Sideshow Bob crashes the Wright Flyer into
a building? I'd like to make a few dozen copies of this
labeled "The True Dangers of General Aviation Light Aircraft"
and send them to various FSDOs and TSA authorities.

There's nothing like mockery to make a (valid) point...

And if you don't like my ideas, please don't retaliate
with jello mix in my ballast tanks, ok? :PPP
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Mark J. Boyd