glassholes

Im interested PW5 Flyer, what was your criteria for buying your sailplane.
Was it size, weight, ease of assembly, one class design format?

thanks,

Mike
"PW5 Flyer" wrote in message
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It was a definitely a rant, borne out of frustration at hearing
too many negative comments about my choice of sailplane.

But since I know this is not restricted to just where I fly, but
a fairly common occurrence around the country based on
talking to other pilots who share my choice of ship, I chose
to vent here, in a larger forum.

I spend a lot of time around airports and I don't see this kind of
attitude displayed among power pilots. Recently an acquaintance
with 70 grand to spend chose to buy himself a new Taylorcraft.

When he showed up at the field with his new plane all I heard was
positive comments. People complimented him on his nice plane.
No one said, Gee for the same money you could have bought a used
Mooney, Beechcraft, Cessna etc... which can go farther, faster, higher
etc.

He bought exactly the plane he wanted for the type of flying he
wanted to do.

But that's not the case at the gliderport!

It's not the guys with the first generation glass (Libelle, Cirrus, or
Jantars)
that are dishing the insults. It's the guys with the newer competitive
ships
who feel they have to question my intelligence, manhood or ability
because I chose a ship that wasn't to their liking or approval.

If you don't like my ship, I don't care. I didn't buy it for you. I
won't ever
trouble you with the opportunity to fly it. Just keep your comments to
yourself.

MC wrote:
Im interested PW5 Flyer, what was your criteria for buying your
sailplane.
Was it size, weight, ease of assembly, one class design format?

thanks,

A valid question, though I can't give you a list in
order of importance.

I do like the light wings and easy assembly, It goes together
easier than the Libelle I used to own. My old back can't handle
the heavy wings like I used to.

I like that it has a polyurethane finish instead of Gel coat,
which I hope will save me some money when it comes time to
refinish.

I like the way it looks, the cockpit fits me well.

I liked the price a lot when I bought it, it cost less than some
first Gen and even many later model ships.

But most importantly was when I had the opportunity to fly
one. It was the easiest, most responsive thermaling ship
I have ever flown. I really enjoyed the flight and have every
other one since.

Thanks for asking
PW5 Flyer

Very nice!

Mike

"PW5 Flyer" wrote in message
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MC wrote:
Im interested PW5 Flyer, what was your criteria for buying your
sailplane.
Was it size, weight, ease of assembly, one class design format?

thanks,

A valid question, though I can't give you a list in
order of importance.

I do like the light wings and easy assembly, It goes together
easier than the Libelle I used to own. My old back can't handle
the heavy wings like I used to.

I like that it has a polyurethane finish instead of Gel coat,
which I hope will save me some money when it comes time to
refinish.

I like the way it looks, the cockpit fits me well.

I liked the price a lot when I bought it, it cost less than some
first Gen and even many later model ships.

But most importantly was when I had the opportunity to fly
one. It was the easiest, most responsive thermaling ship
I have ever flown. I really enjoyed the flight and have every
other one since.

Thanks for asking
PW5 Flyer

PW5 Flyer wrote:
It was a definitely a rant, borne out of frustration at hearing
too many negative comments about my choice of sailplane.

But since I know this is not restricted to just where I fly, but
a fairly common occurrence around the country based on
talking to other pilots who share my choice of ship, I chose
to vent here, in a larger forum.

I spend a lot of time around airports and I don't see this kind of
attitude displayed among power pilots. Recently an acquaintance
with 70 grand to spend chose to buy himself a new Taylorcraft.

When he showed up at the field with his new plane all I heard was
positive comments. People complimented him on his nice plane.
No one said, Gee for the same money you could have bought a used
Mooney, Beechcraft, Cessna etc... which can go farther, faster,
higher
etc.

He bought exactly the plane he wanted for the type of flying he
wanted to do.

But that's not the case at the gliderport!

It's not the guys with the first generation glass (Libelle, Cirrus,
or
Jantars)
that are dishing the insults. It's the guys with the newer
competitive
ships
who feel they have to question my intelligence, manhood or ability
because I chose a ship that wasn't to their liking or approval.

If you don't like my ship, I don't care. I didn't buy it for you. I
won't ever
trouble you with the opportunity to fly it. Just keep your comments
to
yourself.

I share your opinion. I used to own 1964 Cessna 182. When I bought it
nobody was making any negative comments. The same was with my little
7ECA Citabria. And the same with my S2A Pitts. Now, when I went to fly
it in a contest and flew against S2B and Sukhois and Extras nobody was
making any negative comments even though I was flying the least
competive airplane. In general power pilots fly whatever they like and
can afford and that is the bottom line. And those guys flying the
latest and greatest in our little soaring world need to keep the
negative comments to themselves.

There is one or a few (gl)assholes in any group. A fact of life!!
"pw5isthebest" wrote in message
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In a few different threads now I have read disparaging remarks towards
those people who choose to fly gliders with less than a 40:1 glide
ratio.

There are a few glassholes on this group who put down anyone who
can't afford or doesn't want to fly an LS-4. ASW-27, Ventus etc...

Mention a Russia, Apis or PW-5 and the insults start immediently.
I can't believe all the negative posts I've read in the last couple
of weeks about the Diana. It looks great!

I got news for you guys. You had better start embracing people
who fly less than your perfect example of a sailplane if you want
someone to buy your used ship in the future.

I had a high performance (open class) ship years ago and sold it.
Now I chose to go with a medium performance glider because I
enjoy the challenge. I set my own course, and at the end of the
day I can still smile as broadly.

I like Dennis Wrights idea of reaching out to the ultralight community.
They share many concerns, regulations and restrictions that we as
sailplane pilots do. Not just now, but in the future when things will
get
tighter for us, because of terrorist activity, or rise in fuel prices
or a
drop off in new members.

Technology in materials will undoubtedly create new light weight
gliders that will blur the lines between ultralights and sailplanes.
Young pilots just coming into the sport might just be able to afford
some of these "lower performance" machines.

If someday they want to move on to high performance racers, well
great. If not, at least they can have fun in what they've got. I guess
you guys don't understand, not everyone is interested in flying
contests.

Why do you rich snobs feel the need to put those of us down who are
perfectly happy flying our medium performance ships?

pw5isthebest wrote:
In a few different threads now I have read disparaging remarks
towards
those people who choose to fly gliders with less than a 40:1 glide
ratio.

There are a few glassholes on this group who put down anyone who
can't afford or doesn't want to fly an LS-4. ASW-27, Ventus etc...

Mention a Russia, Apis or PW-5 and the insults start immediently.
I can't believe all the negative posts I've read in the last couple
of weeks about the Diana. It looks great!

I got news for you guys. You had better start embracing people
who fly less than your perfect example of a sailplane if you want
someone to buy your used ship in the future.

I had a high performance (open class) ship years ago and sold it.
Now I chose to go with a medium performance glider because I
enjoy the challenge. I set my own course, and at the end of the
day I can still smile as broadly.

I like Dennis Wrights idea of reaching out to the ultralight
community.
They share many concerns, regulations and restrictions that we as
sailplane pilots do. Not just now, but in the future when things will
get
tighter for us, because of terrorist activity, or rise in fuel prices
or a
drop off in new members.

Technology in materials will undoubtedly create new light weight
gliders that will blur the lines between ultralights and sailplanes.
Young pilots just coming into the sport might just be able to afford
some of these "lower performance" machines.

If someday they want to move on to high performance racers, well
great. If not, at least they can have fun in what they've got. I
guess
you guys don't understand, not everyone is interested in flying
contests.

Why do you rich snobs feel the need to put those of us down who are
perfectly happy flying our medium performance ships?

It always amazes me, but doesn't surprise me, that those who believe
that others are assholes don't realize that they, themselves, are
behaving as assholes.

"pw5isthebest" wrote in message
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There are a few glassholes on this group who put down anyone who
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Mamma always used to say "consider the source".
'Nuff said.

Brent

I don't know we are still giving this thread the time of day.

The sport is NOT dying. There are some people that can sit and bitch about
it all they want, but in the end, the sport will always appeal to a certain
crowd. I'd say for myself, that as other soaring sports mature, people will
find their way to us and our beautiful sport. Yes, it costs some dollars to
play. But there are numerous sailplanes of varied price ranges and I
personally have never heard a negative comment made at any gliderport, about
the equipment guys show up with. I think that's all crap...on the few
occasions I've seen guys show up with old, ratty or out of date equipment,
it is generally accompanied by some nice older European gentleman who rigs
and leaves and puts some of the locals to shame and then politely goes about
his way...

We are going to attract new members, because we are going to try to...each
of us is aware that we need new blood and should try to make some level of
effort to involve a new person.

People who leave the sport are inevitable. But I'll say...they never loved
soaring the way I love soaring, or they could simply never fathom leaving.
I'm sorry they are offended because not everyone can afford it...but for
those of us fortunate enough to do so...we are blessed to be involved in the
greatest thing I've ever experienced. Anyone who leaves or quits can choose
to offer constructive commentary to help others...or choose to be
destructive...we all know and understand the difference and should take the
adverse comments with a grain of salt.



Steve.

Greybeard/Lennie said..."Wrong. It demands the same as any other HOBBY, but
with almost no
manual skills. It is not in any position above even a game of winks.
When you've spent three or more hours painting one 3/4" high HO scale
figure, talk to me about patience. Of course, you would probably buy
them already painted, although you'd never have exactly what you
wanted, where I will. More money, I won't argue, but it's the only
way that soaring stands out.

Greybeard. "


Blah blah blah.....I could care less....just whine to yourself...like I
said...and it's good to hear you admit...You don't love it the way I do...so
just keep yapping it up, I for one could care less...I'll just concentrate
on the folks who ARE interested and toss your drivel where it belongs...As
an aside, anything that any person enjoys, is fine with me...just enjoy your
trains and be happy for gods sake and quit droaning on like a broken
record...we've read it...we get it...You don't like it....OK fine!! that and
two $2.99 buys you the Bic Mac Special at McDonalds...and to say there are
no manual skills required, indicates to me...you must never have been worth
a crap as a sailplane pilot or you'd never say such a dumb comment in the
first place.


I swear...I give up on this thread...it's like that accident...where you
know you shouldn't look, but you can't help it...


Steve.

On 16 Feb 2005 21:07:24 GMT, Steve Hill
wrote:


..we've read it...we get it...

And nobody has bothered to look and see if any of what I've said in
fact is widespread. The reason is simple, it's easiest to look for an
external solution for an internal problem.

.and to say there are
no manual skills required, indicates to me...you must never have been worth
a crap as a sailplane pilot or you'd never say such a dumb comment in the
first place.

First ask me if I give a **** what I flew like. How well I flew makes
no difference now, it's relevant to nothing. Most are probably better
pilots than I was, but there are a lot of them that are not in the
same condition, I'm still living.

And if you'd quit trying to elevate soaring above any other hobby, and
admit that it's only another hobby, maybe you wouldn't drive people
out as fast as they come in. I have many interests, soarning was only
one, and not so great that I could justify sacrificing everything else
for. Those three years were pure stupidity. It's when I finally
realized that soaring WAS only another hobby, but one that was
preventing me from doing any of the others that I finally came to my
senses.

NOw if I could convince the one that keeps wanting me to come fly with
him, as a ballast weight in a 2-33, it would be alright. After three
years, one would think he'd get the idea that it isn't going to
happen.

Well, soaring pilot, maybe not.

Greybeard