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Old April 7th 05, 08:19 PM
Ross Richardson
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John Harper wrote:

Paul Tomblin wrote:

Does anybody have a good handle on when ATC wants you to read back
altimeter settings? On a single IFR flight on Tuesday, I encountered
several controllers who I'd check in with, and they'd give me an
altimeter
setting, and that would be it, and 2 (both in Canada, BTW) whom when I
didn't read back the altimeter setting gave it to me again.


In the US I've never read back an altimeter, I've rarely heard anyone
else do it, and I've never heard anyone questioned for it.

In the UK it is mandatory and they will prompt you if you don't read
it back. I guess Canada operates to the same procedures as the UK.

US radio practice is actually quite a bit different from the
international norm, as you quickly discover when you try to fly
somewhere else!

John


That's interesting, either flying flight following or IFR I read back
altimeter readings and I generally hear most everybody do that.

Ross
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Old April 7th 05, 11:40 PM
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John Harper wrote:

Paul Tomblin wrote:

Does anybody have a good handle on when ATC wants you to read back
altimeter settings? On a single IFR flight on Tuesday, I encountered
several controllers who I'd check in with, and they'd give me an
altimeter
setting, and that would be it, and 2 (both in Canada, BTW) whom when I
didn't read back the altimeter setting gave it to me again.


In the US I've never read back an altimeter, I've rarely heard anyone
else do it, and I've never heard anyone questioned for it.


Interesting as I've experienced just the opposite flying in the
northeast. I'd say almost all of the time they are read back.

Matt
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Old April 9th 05, 12:29 AM
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In the UK it is mandatory and they will prompt you if you don't read
it back. I guess Canada operates to the same procedures as the UK.


I realize that I have not completed training yet... but in Canada, under
VFR, my understanding is that pretty much NOTHING needs to be read back
EXCEPT:

....instructions to hold-short (or cross) runways during taxi (must be
specifically itemized in the taxi instructions, and must be read back)
....LAHSO clearances.
....anything else only whenever read-back requested by ATC.

Maybe my training will uncover more, as it progresses, but to date (and from
what I have read), those are the only MANDATORY requirements.

Where I fly (busy satellite within major class C area), you pretty much
never hear an altimeter (or even a landing clearance) read back. Always
acknowledged..., but rarely read back.





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Old April 7th 05, 06:53 PM
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Paul Tomblin wrote:

Does anybody have a good handle on when ATC wants you to read back
altimeter settings? On a single IFR flight on Tuesday, I encountered


Here in ICAO country, it's mandatory to read back the altimeter setting,
as well as any clearances and assigned flight levels. It may be handled
differently in the USA.

Stefan
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Old April 7th 05, 09:21 PM
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:24:31 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

Does anybody have a good handle on when ATC wants you to read back
altimeter settings? On a single IFR flight on Tuesday, I encountered
several controllers who I'd check in with, and they'd give me an altimeter
setting, and that would be it, and 2 (both in Canada, BTW) whom when I
didn't read back the altimeter setting gave it to me again.


I automatically read back the altimeter setting when ever given,
whether IFR or VFR. Any time I've forgotten to include it in the read
back they have given it to me again.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
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Old April 7th 05, 11:06 PM
John Harper
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So maybe there really is a geographic aspect to this. It's
true that my instructor taught me to minimize chit chat, and
I do. But really, honestly, in Northern CA where I do most of
my flying I rarely hear them read back, and never do it myself,
and it never seems to cause a problem. Or maybe I just filter
it out when other people do it, I don't know.

(Things that used to drive my instructor mad:

"identing" - "they can see it on the screen, you don't need to tell them"
"taxiing into position" - "how else are you going to do it"
etc.....)

John


I automatically read back the altimeter setting when ever given,
whether IFR or VFR. Any time I've forgotten to include it in the read
back they have given it to me again.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

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Old April 8th 05, 06:06 PM
Paul Tomblin
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In a previous article, John Harper said:
"identing" - "they can see it on the screen, you don't need to tell them"


I've had controllers request it again after I just pushed the ident button
without telling them that I was doing so. You'd think that only one VFR
target would be identing when they asked, but evidently not.


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Old April 8th 05, 10:48 PM
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In 2003, I had an interesting experience at a small airport...

I was inbound, 15 miles out, above pattern altitude and descending.

I called the field to get runway in use and wind. He also gave me
altimeter, which I started to dial in, and in and in...

I slowly realized this was not right by a long shot.

I vaguely remembered the previous setting, set it back and put her
down.

Turns out that *someone* had set the field altimeter to field elevation

(600 feet) but had dialed it in BACKWARDS past zero to basically -400
feet! The reading was an historic 'hurricane low' pressure, perhaps
only seen before in Death Valley.

Since then, when changing the altimeter, I announce 'off of 2992 for
????'...


HankC


John Harper wrote:
So maybe there really is a geographic aspect to this. It's
true that my instructor taught me to minimize chit chat, and
I do. But really, honestly, in Northern CA where I do most of
my flying I rarely hear them read back, and never do it myself,
and it never seems to cause a problem. Or maybe I just filter
it out when other people do it, I don't know.

(Things that used to drive my instructor mad:

"identing" - "they can see it on the screen, you don't need to tell

them"
"taxiing into position" - "how else are you going to do it"
etc.....)

John


I automatically read back the altimeter setting when ever given,
whether IFR or VFR. Any time I've forgotten to include it in the

read
back they have given it to me again.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


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Old April 12th 05, 04:56 AM
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:06:30 -0700, John Harper
wrote:


"identing" - "they can see it on the screen, you don't need to tell them"
"taxiing into position" - "how else are you going to do it"
etc.....)


I waffle on saying 'identing' when asked to ident. I think nowadays
I've settled on just reading back my tail number when asked for an
ident (with, of course, pushing the button).

aw
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Old April 12th 05, 04:53 PM
Matt Barrow
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"aaronw" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:06:30 -0700, John Harper
wrote:


"identing" - "they can see it on the screen, you don't need to tell them"
"taxiing into position" - "how else are you going to do it"
etc.....)


I waffle on saying 'identing' when asked to ident. I think nowadays
I've settled on just reading back my tail number when asked for an
ident (with, of course, pushing the button).


I give them my tail number and what I'm identing.


 




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