Have you ever...

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message

.......any time a person without a license
goes flying and crashes it's no accident. That is expected as it
is almost intentional.

Yes. A person who flies without benefit of a Pilot Certificate is by
definition unsafe. The rules say so.

Yes, the person who disregards the rules of licensing will, naturally,
dutifully obey the other rules of flying.

And all our acquaintances who
dutifully carry their carefully laminated certificates are, of course,
good
and safe pilots because their certificates are on their persons.

The operative word here is "intent".

"Jay Honeck" wrote

This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe,
traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to
pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight
lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know...

I shudder to think about it now...

I wonder how many people are flying without ever having their ticket, or
have been flying for years since they were legal. I hear of a guy around my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote

This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe,
traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to
pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight
lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know...

I shudder to think about it now...

I wonder how many people are flying without ever having their ticket, or
have been flying for years since they were legal. I hear of a guy around
my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.
--
Jim in NC

The proportion is probably not much different than the number of people that
drive without a drivers license. A larger number than most would expect.
The chances of getting caught are minimal.

"Morgans" writes:

I hear of a guy around my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.

Which simply shows that a medical (esp. a 3rd class for hobby flying)
is meaningless and should be eliminated.

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...

I hear of a guy around my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.

Which simply shows that a medical (esp. a 3rd class
for hobby flying) is meaningless and should be eliminated.

I heard of a guy flying around who didn't even have a license.
I guess that "simply shows" that a pilot's license
"is meaningless and should be eliminated".

/Sarcasm/OFF

--
Jeff Shirton jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

Keep thy airspeed up, lest the earth come from below
and smite thee. - William Kershner
Challenge me (Theophilus) for a game of chess at Chessworld.net!

Bob Fry wrote:
"Morgans" writes:


I hear of a guy around my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.


Which simply shows that a medical (esp. a 3rd class for hobby flying)
is meaningless and should be eliminated.

Maybe for that one guy.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
...refused to fly with someone you felt was not entirely safe?

Yes, I have declined.
Being a woman, it's hard to say if it was uneasiness about the man/woman
issue or about piloting skill, but something was definitely saying
"don't go", and he looked pretty shocked when I said, "No thanks, I
don't know how you fly!" It always amazes me how people just assume that
all pilots are *SO* desperate to be up in the air that they'll accept an
flight invite from ANYONE, regardless of how little they know about the
person, their piloting history, etc. Most self-respecting, reasonably
intelligent women won't get into a car with a man they just met and know
nothing about; why do men think asking a woman they just met to get into
an airplane with them is any different?

I have also declined a few invites from people I frequently fly and have
confidence with, when wind or other weather has been beyond what I feel
is safe.

1 and he looked pretty shocked when I said, "No thanks, I
1 don't know how you fly!"

2 After a rather heated
2 discussion he ended up taking remedial training.
2 We don't speak much anymore...

3 I told him that no way was I going to fly with him. He was
3 insulted and wouldn't acknowledge me after that.

Whoa! Aren't there other ways of getting out of a risky flight?? You
know, think back to your dating days..."oh, I can't go out with you
then, I'm cleaning out my cat's litter box that night..."

Or was it only me?

and he looked pretty shocked when I said, "No thanks, I
don't know how you fly!"

Bob Fry wrote:
Whoa! Aren't there other ways of getting out of a risky flight?? You
know, think back to your dating days..."oh, I can't go out with you
then, I'm cleaning out my cat's litter box that night..."

Or was it only me?

It would have been different if I kind of knew this guy or knew others
who know him. I'd only seen him at the airport once before ... he pulled
up in his car to talk with me (translation: interrupt) while I was
preflighting. I was courteous and stopped for a few minutes to talk,
even though I don't interrupt others when I see them preflighting,
especially people I don't even know. When he walked up the second time,
and just ASSUMED that because we'd talked once, I would go with him--
"SO, when are we going flying??"--I could have made a nicer-sounding
excuse, but my deliberate curt response hopefully conveyed that just
because we had one "good morning, nice day isn't it?" conversation
doesn't mean that I'm going to climb into an airplane with what is
still, when you think about putting your life in their hands, a TOTAL
STRANGER. Again, it's a no-brainer that you don't take *car* rides from
total strangers ... why are airplane rides any different?

wrote in message
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[...]
doesn't mean that I'm going to climb into an airplane with what is
still, when you think about putting your life in their hands, a TOTAL
STRANGER. Again, it's a no-brainer that you don't take *car* rides from
total strangers ... why are airplane rides any different?

Be careful about your generalizations. In the scenario you describe, I see
no reason to accept a ride. But there are plenty of examples of passengers
who are total strangers to the pilot accepting rides, as are there examples
of taking car rides from total strangers, all in very reasonable, accepted
situations.

Pete