Cirrus SR22 demo flight

Can you back up that sweepingly broad statement with ANY facts? They
are
ALL dumb and unexperienced?

Every Cirrus (I don't know enough about the others to comment) owner
I've ever met except one had well under 500 hours when he bought it.
Cirrus won't tell us who is buying, but the accident rate is awfully
high and I can see no other reason for it being that high. I've flown
that airplane (including bailing out a pilot on approach in IMC) and I
see nothing about that airplane that should be a problem for an
experienced and proficient pilot.

Now the one exception was a guy who had hundreds of hours in a Bonanza.
He had ONE (and ONLY one) reason for buying it. The parachute. Not
because he thinks it has value (he doesn't - he considers it a gimmick
that caters to the inexperienced) but because his wife will fly with
him in the Cirrus with the parachute, but would not fly with him in his
Bonanza. That makes it worth it to him.

Michael

"Michael" wrote in message n
Can you back up that sweepingly broad statement with ANY facts? They
are ALL dumb and unexperienced?

Every Cirrus (I don't know enough about the others to comment) owner
I've ever met except one had well under 500 hours when he bought it.
Cirrus won't tell us who is buying, but the accident rate is awfully
high

"Awfully high" compared to what?

moo

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Michael,
I have. My first flight in one involved bailing out the pilot, who
botched the ILS so badly he pegged the GS needle. It made me
understand why the accident rate was what it was.

And that had to do with the model airplane you were flying in which
way?


Let me tell you, a 1969 Arrow sucks rocks in comparison.

Wrong comparison. The right comparison is a 1965 S-model Bonanza
with
the IO-550.

I didn't bring up the comparison, the poster I answered to did. And a

1965 Bo, while a nice plane, is still a *1965* Bo.

All Arrows suck compared to either Cirrus or Bonanza. Thing is,
when I
fly with people in their Arrows, I don't have to bail them out.

Oh Bull!

No you won't. At least I couldn't. Oh, they've done everything
they
could to put a modern false face on the engine - but it's still
obsolete technology.

I didn't disagree with that. You know of any alternatives, besides
the
DA-40 TDI? I don't.

but no better than the Bonanza with a JPI at a fraction of the
price.

Some think so. Many don't - witness the sales numbers.

Look, I don't want to fight over this or defend anything. But the
sales
numbers are there. You can't debate those.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

.... and the fact that hundreds of millions of people buy cigarettes
means what?

Gerd

wrote in message

Thomas Borchert wrote:

I didn't disagree with that. You know of any alternatives, besides
the DA-40 TDI? I don't.

but no better than the Bonanza with a JPI at a fraction of the
price.

Some think so. Many don't - witness the sales numbers.

Look, I don't want to fight over this or defend anything. But the
sales numbers are there. You can't debate those.

... and the fact that hundreds of millions of people buy cigarettes
means what?

Gee, that they're addicted to nicotine? That they think it's cool? Read
what the OP wrote again and then look up "faulty analogy" and try again.

moo

In article .com, Michael wrote:
Let me tell you, a 1969 Arrow sucks rocks in comparison.

Wrong comparison.

In new aircraft, the right comparison for an Arrow would be the Diamond
DA-40 rather than the Cirrus (or Lancair). I have flown the DA-40, and I
do greatly prefer it to the Arrow (even a new one) - it's easier to get
in and out of, has a back door, stick instead of yoke, looks much
better, faster on 20 less horsepower and doesn't have the maintenance
involved with retractable gear or CS prop.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On Wed, 04 May 2005 16:20:24 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote:

In new aircraft, the right comparison for an Arrow would be the Diamond
DA-40 rather than the Cirrus (or Lancair). I have flown the DA-40, and I
do greatly prefer it to the Arrow (even a new one) - it's easier to get
in and out of, has a back door, stick instead of yoke, looks much
better, faster on 20 less horsepower and doesn't have the maintenance
involved with retractable gear or CS prop.

And it is available with the Thielert-diesel-engine. My club currently
has a demonstrator on the line. Really great airplane, 135 KTAS on 6
gph and almost incredibly easy to fly. Purchase is a little bit on the
expensive side, though.

I would love to try out a Cirrus one day to see if the Star and the
SR20 are by any means comparable.

Tobias

Tobias,

Purchase is a little bit on the
expensive side, though.

Ain't that the truth...


I would love to try out a Cirrus one day to see if the Star and the
SR20 are by any means comparable.


Don't. It would spoil your DA-40 enthusiasm. The Cirrus is MUCH more of
an airplane. Much more solid feel, much nicer interior, "real" doors et
cetera, whereas the DA-40 somehow still hints at its roots as a
motorglider. The only two things the DA-40 is better in is visibility
and engine technology (diesel available). And the SR20, with the
current US$ conversion rate, is even cheaper in Europe than the DA-40.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Thu, 05 May 2005 09:17:14 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

I would love to try out a Cirrus one day to see if the Star and the
SR20 are by any means comparable.
Don't. It would spoil your DA-40 enthusiasm.

I just saw on the Cirrus website that they are offering FREE demo
rides for CFIs (hope this offer is also valid with their European
sales organisation...).

http://www.cirrusdesign.com/seeacirrus/demoflight/

Has anyone ever tried this out?

Tobias

Tobias,

Has anyone ever tried this out?


Uh, the original poster in this thread?

It's not that hard to get a free demo ride, e.g. in Germany.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dylan Smith wrote:

In new aircraft, the right comparison for an Arrow would be the Diamond
DA-40 rather than the Cirrus (or Lancair). I have flown the DA-40, and I
do greatly prefer it to the Arrow (even a new one) - it's easier to get
in and out of, has a back door, stick instead of yoke, looks much
better, faster on 20 less horsepower and doesn't have the maintenance
involved with retractable gear or CS prop.

I think you forgot the most important point: It's fun to fly.

Stefan